Jimbobs' B18c EK9 Hondata Tuned + VIDs


That is quick. Most tuning programs allow to add a shift light
 
chrismc_DC2 said:
Given that the UK cars are quoted as 187hp atfw stock, i would have thought I/H/E mods with a mapped ECU would perhaps give a healthy gain in power/torque given JDM cars are already 10BHP ahead as standard (Better header & map)

It all comes down to the dyno lottery. Over on itr-dc2, the consencus reckon on 145-155atw on a Dyno Dynamics RR for a stock DC2!, with gains on that for tuned cars.

It really would be great to see some before/after comparisons of the same car pre hondata tune (stock ECU) & then after mapping on Hondata.....same day & same RR as that is the only way to truly quantify any "gain" IMO.

I have always been a sceptic with RR figures. I accept that gains can be made with breathing mods & mapped to suit, but when the standard engine is making ~100bhp/litre I cant see the gains being big without more RPM, compression or displacement.....

Very impressive result nonetheless:nice:
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Hi Chris, I also agree with most of your comments but cant say I like the term 'Dyno-Lottery' lol.

Either way lets see what the car makes on the other dyno and that will give you a nice comparison. Besides peak numbers their is alot more important factors involved in a good tune that people never seem to discuss.
 
JIMBOB-EK9 said:
Leave it with us mate we are talking over this @ the mo & will be starting a thread about it soon!
We want to make it so everyone will be able to attend, but bear in mind we have member's all the way up in scotland too!:nice:
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EK9 fest!! i know i would be more up for traveling if we were to meet up at a track or qtr mile,or some where like that:drive:

and wow, those vids are impressive.
 
Were throwing a couple of ideas around, not definitive locations though we want to keep this interesting and have one yearly main 'EK9-fest' meet :D
 
EK9dan said:
I think what it is, clocks dont always tell the whole story, some clocks are out etc etc...

The B18C will be faster to any speed, the higher the speed i believe the bigger the difference....

0-60MPH is a hard one as its pretty hard to beat an EK9 with B16B to 60MPH as they are very quick, the true power will shine more once you get in 3rd gear onwards....
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Seems like someone has definitely changed their tone about the extra 200cc. :D

No one believed me when I said so... B18C pawns B16B in every aspect, the video doesnt do much justice. It will be interesting to hear your tone again after you try out JB's car. You'll then understand what '200cc' will do with honda motors. As said, a Stock DC2R will still feel faster than a modded EK9 up to about 8200rpm.

And to answer the B18C vs K20 question, worlds apart mate! Don't bother comparing. Your comparing a new generation engine + 200cc + VTC technology with a B18C?
 
Well done on the tuning Will! One of the best results I've seen!
 
EK9turbo said:
Hi Chris, I also agree with most of your comments but cant say I like the term 'Dyno-Lottery' lol.

Either way lets see what the car makes on the other dyno and that will give you a nice comparison. Besides peak numbers their is alot more important factors involved in a good tune that people never seem to discuss.
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:D..."Dyno Lottery" wasnt meant as a slight against your work at all...just that there is a massive amount of variation in figures from one place to another, thus its hard to know what to believe/trust as true figures. Its all about the before/after:)

I agree that improved torque across the range & smoother VTEC crossover will make for a swifter/smoother & nicer car to drive & far more important than the peak figures...:p

From my previous post, id actually expect pretty mild "peak" gains with basic breathing mods, with the majority of the improvement in the midrange driveability...

Im certainly doubtful that an I/H/E + a remap would yield more than 10-15BHP peak over what Honda enabled the car with from the factory. ~100BHP/litre standard output doesnt leave a huge amount of breathing space for big gains IMO. (no pun intended!:p)

Looking forward to seeing the other dyno run anyhow as Jimbob seems very happy! Good Work:)
 
you have gained allot of area under the graph throughout the revrange, and gained a huge amount of power and tourque midrange,, this must be one fast B18C.

amazing work,, gotta save up so i can get mine "WILLtuned"
 
Gee said:
When I hit the rev limited my car seems to thud more than just bounce of the limiter...why is that?

Also, how come you have a shift light? Part of the Hondata?
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Dont think i hit the rev limit @ any point in that vid mate!:secret:
But you will have to take me out for a spin in yours when i next see you!
Yeah the shift light is part of hondata:nice:

b16 mini said:
EK9 fest!! i know i would be more up for traveling if we were to meet up at a track or qtr mile,or some where like that:drive:

and wow, those vids are impressive.
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This is what we have been talking about mate, we will just have to see what we can sort out!:D

jugbugz said:
Seems like someone has definitely changed their tone about the extra 200cc. :D

No one believed me when I said so... B18C pawns B16B in every aspect, the video doesnt do much justice. It will be interesting to hear your tone again after you try out JB's car. You'll then understand what '200cc' will do with honda motors.
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I agreed with everything you said in prev threads.:nice:
But i just didnt want to get into another argument about the B18 that is why i did not comment in them threads!:secret:

chrismc_DC2 said:
Looking forward to seeing the other dyno run anyhow as Jimbob seems very happy! Good Work:)
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Yeah i am more than happy with what WILL has Achieved with my car!
I will get my car back on the dyno asap so we can all see a true comparison:nice:

olly ek9 said:
you have gained allot of area under the graph throughout the revrange, and gained a huge amount of power and tourque midrange,, this must be one fast B18C.

amazing work,, gotta save up so i can get mine "WILLtuned"
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Well it feels like one quick B18 anyway! lol :bow:
Get saving mate worth every penny!:secret:
 
lol,

Yeah i am still a tad sceptical as i am generally sceptic about most things until i have proof in front of me :)

But i am seeing the light now.

JUGBUGS, well i should have a B18C in my car relatively soon so i can judge then too... Then shortly down the line go for the hondata :nice: as those results are great and the way the clocks shoot up in JIMBOBS vid, thats impressive for sure. Looks nice and clean/smooth power.....

Looking forward to a meet soon too, wana see some of youz nice EK'S!
 
jugbugz said:
And to answer the B18C vs K20 question, worlds apart mate! Don't bother comparing. Your comparing a new generation engine + 200cc + VTC technology with a B18C?
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Although the K IS a superior engine, the main benefit is the VTC for economy, extra responsiveness and low-down torque. Both B and K series still make power in much the same way.

jugbugz said:
Well done on the tuning Will! One of the best results I've seen!
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Hey Thanks dude! :nice:

CRVtec_ej6 said:
Very nice.. !!!!
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haitch said:
Very nice :nice:
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:thanks:

chrismc_DC2 said:
:D..."Dyno Lottery" wasnt meant as a slight against your work at all...just that there is a massive amount of variation in figures from one place to another, thus its hard to know what to believe/trust as true figures. Its all about the before/after:)

I agree that improved torque across the range & smoother VTEC crossover will make for a swifter/smoother & nicer car to drive & far more important than the peak figures...:p

From my previous post, id actually expect pretty mild "peak" gains with basic breathing mods, with the majority of the improvement in the midrange driveability...

Im certainly doubtful that an I/H/E + a remap would yield more than 10-15BHP peak over what Honda enabled the car with from the factory. ~100BHP/litre standard output doesnt leave a huge amount of breathing space for big gains IMO. (no pun intended!:p)

Looking forward to seeing the other dyno run anyhow as Jimbob seems very happy! Good Work:)
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Chris I knew you didnt mean anything against me with the dyno-lottery. I commented as some dynos are proven to give very repeatable readings consistantly. Dynojets and Dynapacks are considered the industry standard in the states because of this. If I put JBs car back on the rollers today, i'd doubt there would be more than a 3hp difference. ..As for your doubts on gaining that kind of power, if you come down and have your car tuned by me you'll be surprised on what you really gain and we will do a before and after test.

olly ek9 said:
you have gained allot of area under the graph throughout the revrange, and gained a huge amount of power and tourque midrange,, this must be one fast B18C.

amazing work,, gotta save up so i can get mine "WILLtuned"
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Thanks Olly. I'll start doing some rundown tests on cars I tune to calculate drivetrain losses and get a bhp figure. WHP is whats important though.

JIMBOB-EK9 said:
Dont think i hit the rev limit @ any point in that vid mate!:secret:
But you will have to take me out for a spin in yours when i next see you!
Yeah the shift light is part of hondata:nice:
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You hit the Launch-control limiter at the top of 1st just before you chirped second IIRC :p
 
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From your vid the 0-100km looks around 5.5secs, which is pretty damn fast!
 
EK9turbo said:
if you come down and have your car tuned by me you'll be surprised on what you really gain and we will do a before and after test.
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Will,

Any chance you could PM me details of costs fitted/mapped onto my UK DC2 & what could be expected in terms of gains.....

Might need to put it on the back-burner what with having popped the question on valentines day...but i will give it strong consideration if the price is favourable:)
 
When I grow up I want to have a motor like this in my car :)

Nice numbers!
 
chrismc_DC2 said:
Im certainly doubtful that an I/H/E + a remap would yield more than 10-15BHP peak over what Honda enabled the car with from the factory. ~100BHP/litre standard output doesnt leave a huge amount of breathing space for big gains IMO. (no pun intended!:p)
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Meh, that's what a lot of people said stateside almost 10 years ago and it's been legitimately proven time and time again the despite what superior genes Honda instilled into the DC2-R, there was still more power to be had with better tuning.

I'm willing to bet with a better header and adjustable camgears, an even 20bhp peak, can be achieved now that there's 200cc more displacement. A Performer X intake manifold will probably help broaden the area under the curve as well before any need to consider digging into the head/internals.

:drive:
 
Just noticed,

After watching the clocks time and time again you actually hit 40-160KPH in around 10 seconds BEFORE AND AFTER the hondata tune??

To be fair it looked just as quick before, Maybe a tad less......

Whats your view on it JIMBOB?

I compared from 40KPH as you had launch control in one to help ull off and in the first video you didnt even rev off the line to launch so 40KPH looked to be a good spot to compare...
 
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