Project Diablo - Turbo B16 EM1 (Picture Heavy)


I don't listen? Gerry keeps asking to meet up and race or meet... The cars in the ****in garage gettin work done lol... It's off the road I've said this.
As for all ur comments about I'm not listening to help and advice it's bullshit cause I've not had any except ditch the kit etc. Just because I'm not doing what people tell me about MY car doesn't mean I'm not listening or understanding their POV.
My knowledge is varied, I know a fair bit about somethings and not alot about others. But repeat comments like "GET A ECU" etc. Ive stated in my original post that I'm getting a ECU lol... It's blatantly not fair that I'm being made out to ignore what's being said when majority of the comments are opinions about how **** the car looks.. That's going to help me how? It ain't.
I agree there are 1 or 2 things I need to find about the car from my mechanic who built it, but he's also advising me on what to buy. And what to do next etc. After all he knows the spec better than anyone. It's my fault for trusting the previous owner wrote the spec down correctly... Which he didn't.
I'm open to ideas and suggestions about what to improve on the spec and on the looks keeping in mind I'm going for the murdered out theme.
Thanks
 
You should be making your own informative decisions on what you need by researching mate, for all you know your 'mechanic' as you call him, could be bumming you for money right under your nose!

I'd never buy new parts or setups without researching them extensively before hand!

Maybe you should seek advice from other tuners and garages!
 
Airwolf said:
As for all ur comments about I'm not listening to help and advice it's bullshit cause I've not had any except ditch the kit etc. Just because I'm not doing what people tell me about MY car doesn't mean I'm not listening or understanding their POV.
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In all fairness he has a point, When I first announced my build and the expected figures everyone laughed/slated, saying you'll make no more than 200-220 bhp with that spec. This feel's the same to me.

If I can remember correctly, someone even said some people have experience in this or something like that - I lol'd. Like my builder/tuner hasn't?! He's only been doing this for the past 10+ years and if my memory serves me well, worked on forumla 3 cars.

Cut the shi&*y flaming..
 
Jimbo I totally agree with u mate and on my previous k20 project I did a shitload of research, I've done alot with this civic so far but there's areas I just would best left for my mechanic... When it comes to ECU and mapping I'll quite happily admit I dont have a clue. So I leave him to it. Alot of people in my area use j&n developments and he's had nothin but great feedback and prices, he's not let me down so far.

Aye wazer I know what u mean mate. Sucks when it happeneds but feels great when u prove everyone wrong.
There's a fine line between being Polite, voicing your oppinion and just being a ****ing arsehole. No matter what I feel towards a car and or it's owner I'm always polite. Shame it doesnt get returned
 
Airwolf said:
Jimbo I totally agree with u mate and on my previous k20 project I did a shitload of research, I've done alot with this civic so far but there's areas I just would best left for my mechanic... When it comes to ECU and mapping I'll quite happily admit I dont have a clue. So I leave him to it. Alot of people in my area use j&n developments and he's had nothin but great feedback and prices, he's not let me down so far.
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That's fair enough mate. :)
 
anyway, if your wanting to actually take advice on it, Crome Pro or ECtune will both be sufficient for what you need. I know its not a big name to put on a speclist like Motec but it will do the job, and at 400 supplied fitted and mapped you could save a shedload to put towards painting everything black.
 
PerformanceTek said:
anyway, if your wanting to actually take advice on it, Crome Pro or ECtune will both be sufficient for what you need. I know its not a big name to put on a speclist like Motec but it will do the job, and at 400 supplied fitted and mapped you could save a shedload to put towards painting everything black.
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Cheers Gerry, How good are those 2 ecu's and what are they like in comparison with motec? Cause I'm after a ECU that's future proof, so I won't need to change ecu's when I upgrade parts.
My budget for performance is more important than the looks department.
Thanks
 
They are both based on honda ECUs like Hondata is...this is a good thing, retaining all stock sensor, stock idle etc. Future proof? your tuning an engine that went out of production over ten years ago, theres nothing your gonna need the ECU to do that it cant already. Look about, many B series do you see running aftermarket standalone? very few, for a good reason, a stock Honda P28/P30 can be modified with good results.
 
Yeah I see what ur getting. So if I got a stand alone ECU like a hondata, Dta, aem etc I'll need to change all the sensors?
 
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Hondata isnt a standalone...its a modification to a stock honda ECU (not to be confused with piggyback)

Some standalones require different sensors...some dont.
 
Nice to see this thread has turned around and you guys are helping out the OP.

As PerformanceTek said hondata isn't a standalone ecu such as Motec, Haltech etc it's a daughter board that fits inside a socketed obd1 ecu which allows the stock ecu to be custom programmed for fuel and ignition etc via hondata's software.

Crome Pro and eCtune are mapping softwares also for obd1 ecu's. Your tuner would most likely burn you a eprom chip containing a custom map for your car's setup using one of these softwares which would then be inserted into a socketed obd1 ecu.

All these obd1 tuning softwares pretty much offer the same thing in terms of features so just go with one your tuner is most confident with.

If you want to spend abit more cash then perhaps a AEM series 2 ecu might be worth looking into, it has definable knock tables and can be setup to pull timing in the event of the knock threshold been exceeded obviously this is benefical in the event of you getting a bad batch of fuel and detonation occurring as a result.
 
How much for the aem series 2?
Thanks for that vtec that does help mate. Bit complicated but read it a few times lol.
From your post the hondata is A part that fits inside the the obd1 ECU. Is this obd1 ECU already part of the stock ECU or is it a seperate bought part? I'm assuming that the hondata has it's own mapping software, so you couldn't burn a Crome or ectune map onto the EPROM chip inside a hondata due to different make. Or have I picked this up wrong?

What is the main differences between hondata and Crome/ectune in terms of accuracy of data/performance/trouble shooting/reliability and re-mapping several times or more for new parts or just a new map to try different setups?
Greatly appreciated mate this is all new to me.
 
Airwolf said:
How much for the aem series 2?
Thanks for that vtec that does help mate. Bit complicated but read it a few times lol.
From your post the hondata is A part that fits inside the the obd1 ECU. Is this obd1 ECU already part of the stock ECU or is it a seperate bought part? I'm assuming that the hondata has it's own mapping software, so you couldn't burn a Crome or ectune map onto the EPROM chip inside a hondata due to different make. Or have I picked this up wrong?

What is the main differences between hondata and Crome/ectune in terms of accuracy of data/performance/trouble shooting/reliability and re-mapping several times or more for new parts or just a new map to try different setups?
Greatly appreciated mate this is all new to me.
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AEM series 2 plug and play for honda is about £800 for the ecu.

Yes correct its a circuit board which fits inside the obd1 ecu to allow communication. OBD1 ecu's are found in 92-95 honda's they can work in 96-00 model honda's by fitting a jumper harness between the car's loom and ecu.

No Crome or eCtune would not be compatible with a hondata daughter board however you can buy a daughter board from Moates called a "Demon" which is compatible with Crome and eCtune. What this allows is real time programming and datalogging direct from the ecu once fitted. Due to the extra cost of this Demon board(£200~) most would just go with having your tuner burn you a eprom chip containing the custom created map for your car.

All the softwares offer pretty much the same thing however eCtune or Hondata would be better than Crome IMO.

Do your research and find out what tuner's are near by and have a good reputation with tuning boosted honda's they will be able to best advise you with what EMS you should go with and more importantly what they are most confident to tune with. You may find you need to travel some distance to get the right tuner but if their track record for tuning is good then it could be worth the drive.
 
180 whp b16 turbo from the uk thats sad if that really what you put down.

I thought the body kit and painted interior would have atleast given you an extra 500 whp .:clap:

Just Messing with ya! Instead of investing time and money on those aero kits and interiors and that paint why not . Bring up Google and spend about 1 to 3 hours just reading on Great Tunners That Will Do wonder's FOr you car for the same amount your spending cause it sounds like your MECHANIC SAW YOU COMING FROM WAY UP THE STreet HIS EYE MUST Just WEnt $.$ when you walked in and started talking.
 
Airwolf said:
How much for the aem series 2?
Thanks for that vtec that does help mate. Bit complicated but read it a few times lol.
From your post the hondata is A part that fits inside the the obd1 ECU. Is this obd1 ECU already part of the stock ECU or is it a seperate bought part? I'm assuming that the hondata has it's own mapping software, so you couldn't burn a Crome or ectune map onto the EPROM chip inside a hondata due to different make. Or have I picked this up wrong?

What is the main differences between hondata and Crome/ectune in terms of accuracy of data/performance/trouble shooting/reliability and re-mapping several times or more for new parts or just a new map to try different setups?
Greatly appreciated mate this is all new to me.
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See this is a good question .

The Diffrence between Hondata and Crome and EcTune is practially NOthing they all use the same exact user interface but some people think one is harder then the other one Hondaata and ECtune are among the top tunning programs in the states PEople on a budget tune of CROMe Crome GOld and other smaller company brand programs Due to the Fact Hondata and Ectune programs get a bit pricey and tunner like ot charge about $500.00- ETC depending on how long there there and what they have to do .

in the End its really your prefrence on what software to use when tunning read up on each and you'll make your own descision . I'm getting my b20 turbo tunned off crome gold mostly dont have the funds for hondata or ectune
 
LOL this is such a good read...

This is easily the most knowledgeabe forum so why come here and bull ****.
Just shows what kind of work has been done on the engine if they went with stock ECU.
A stock engine with a Standalone ECU is probably better than a forged engine on a stock ECU....this car needs alot more than a respray to look good..
if anything it gives our cars a bad name as when we say we drive tuned civic's the general public think of your coupe.
good luck with the build though mate will be interesting to see how it looks
 
thanks for that vtec6000 and silentek. you've given me a much better understanding of what ive to do next, appreciated.

Vtec... Demon actually sounds like a good idea, would save you on mapping costs if your constantly changing and adding parts to your engine, aswell as just changing for a different driving style?

I think im going to settle with ECtune. It seems to be the "middle" ground between hondata and crome, for cost and performance. Hondata does seem a little too pricey especially if your changing alot of the sensors, and enviromental damage comes into play.
thanks again.
 
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