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ijwhiteman said:
MOON Not a japspeed.

And this is all just a myth. A tuning company tested 10 manifolds all on the same dyno and the result where all over the place. They tried 4-1 and 4-2-1 configurations and the myth that 4-1 gives better top and 4-2-1 better torque and mid was all bolloxs. They tested manifolds from spoon dc ect ect and the result didn't show any pattern. For example My japspeed 4-2-1 made more power than my mates who was running a DC 4-1 both with i dentical set ups! I really must try and find this article. I do not understand why every1 on here belives 4-2-1 to be better?
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It's not just about 4-2-1 and 4-1 pipes... Theres so much testing and engineering in headers which shows in the price. The diamter, bends and lengths etc etc all effect flow. It's also possible that a 4-2-1 header can make more top end power than a 4-1. But when we talk about the strengths and weaknesses of 4-1 and 4-2-1, it means the basic theory. Brands like TODA and Hytech have engineered their 4-2-1 headers to better their own 4-1 header and with bonus more torque at lower and mid range. Thats why you pay $1000-$1400 for it.

If you buy some cheap ass ebay headers, 90% chance that your stock headers perform better. Why? Because of engineering from the factory. Anyone can just weld up pipes together.
 
ijwhiteman said:
MOON Not a japspeed.

And this is all just a myth. A tuning company tested 10 manifolds all on the same dyno and the result where all over the place. They tried 4-1 and 4-2-1 configurations and the myth that 4-1 gives better top and 4-2-1 better torque and mid was all bolloxs. They tested manifolds from spoon dc ect ect and the result didn't show any pattern. For example My japspeed 4-2-1 made more power than my mates who was running a DC 4-1 both with i dentical set ups! I really must try and find this article. I do not understand why every1 on here belives 4-2-1 to be better?
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REAL race headers are 4-2-1 and make more power, ive always said this...
 
jugbugz said:
It's not just about 4-2-1 and 4-1 pipes... Theres so much testing and engineering in headers which shows in the price. The diamter, bends and lengths etc etc all effect flow. It's also possible that a 4-2-1 header can make more top end power than a 4-1. But when we talk about the strengths and weaknesses of 4-1 and 4-2-1, it means the basic theory. Brands like TODA and Hytech have engineered their 4-2-1 headers to better their own 4-1 header and with bonus more torque at lower and mid range. Thats why you pay $1000-$1400 for it.

If you buy some cheap ass ebay headers, 90% chance that your stock headers perform better. Why? Because of engineering from the factory. Anyone can just weld up pipes together.
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I understand what your sayin and i agree with it. But i'm stating what an atricle had showed me when they tested a load. Also yes cheap headers are not as good but to make the assumption that they are crap is a silly in my opinion. I've dyno'd 3!!!! (with different B16's) And seen gains over stock on all! its not as restrictive SIMPLE. i've put big money else where. I do not see the point paying another £500-£700 for a few measly extra BHP from a 1.6? When i can get similar results from a cheaper mani. I expect 9 manis are much more free flowing than UK cars.
 
ijwhiteman said:
I understand what your sayin and i agree with it. But i'm stating what an atricle had showed me when they tested a load. Also yes cheap headers are not as good but to make the assumption that they are crap is a silly in my opinion. I've dyno'd 3!!!! (with different B16's) And seen gains over stock on all! its not as restrictive SIMPLE. i've put big money else where. I do not see the point paying another £500-£700 for a few measly extra BHP from a 1.6? When i can get similar results from a cheaper mani. I expect 9 manis are much more free flowing than UK cars.
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If your lucky, those cheaper ebay items could have replicated the top brands, thats why it could make power. The only renovate, not inovate.
 
:nice:sorry to say this but japspeed are crap, my mates has cracked just after a year on his eg coupe. So i have pointed him in the 5zigen direction as not much different in price:nice:
 
koruptEK9 said:
:nice:sorry to say this but japspeed are crap, my mates has cracked just after a year on his eg coupe. So i have pointed him in the 5zigen direction as not much different in price:nice:
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For how much they cost you get very good quality and fair enough it snapped but i know some 1 who snapped a spoon race manifold! Enough said. People have budgets and you can still get a decent ammount of equipment/goodies at cheaper prices. I'm not saying i wouldn't buy a better manifold but i know that money can easily be better spent else where. Japspeed are cheap s*@t but they are very good quality for the £99 that it cost me and my EK4 is running near on 180bhp and my EG6 also ran 178bhp dyno proven and that was an EBAY car through and through untill i learn't more and spent a **** load on spoon stuff for the 4. If the right mani comes along cheap second hand i'm sure i'll upgrade. But jesus people broaden you horizons a lil.
 
im with u ijwhiteman, i dont think half they headers out there are worth there money for the gains that you get. i to run a japspeed mani the top end power is awsume on them its a 4-1 i have and with a decat induction kit and ek9 cat back i can pull away from ek9's amd on the 1/4 ep3s dont even come close to my ek4 and thats them running exhausts that have cost them over £1000. ok i know they aint as good as likes of toda spoon but the are alot better than oem and for £99 they are a good manifold well made for the price
 
lumek4: i still can figure out how you can pull away from ek9s and ep3s. Please enlighten me as i have a few friends and family that have ek4s and they dont come close to overtaking me.
 
babyface said:
lumek4: i still can figure out how you can pull away from ek9s and ep3s. Please enlighten me as i have a few friends and family that have ek4s and they dont come close to overtaking me.
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ok i will need to get all my vids together and get them posted of me beating ek9's and ep3's and its not just one were u can say it was a lucky race its been a few iv beat now.
 
lumek4 said:
ok i will need to get all my vids together and get them posted of me beating ek9's and ep3's and its not just one were u can say it was a lucky race its been a few iv beat now.
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Thats is impressive but haven't you done a few other bits like cams??? I can give standard tegs a bit of a run for there money especially on the twistys.
 
I had an ek4 jordan which had a similar spec to your ek4 and i drew with a standard one from fastjapcars Duncan.
Im not saying your lying, its just i find it hard to believe seeing as the ek9 is lighter than the ek4 and more powerful. Are you sure you're not just ALOT better than your friends at shifting?:p
 
LOL i fine it hard to belive a mildly modded ek4 can pull away from an ek9 let alone a ep3 ........,to put it simple how can a 180bhp modded ek4 vti pull away from a 185bhp ek9 which is lighter than a ek4 anyway ???????????????
 
vtec said:
LOL i fine it hard to belive a mildly modded ek4 can pull away from an ek9 let alone a ep3 ........,to put it simple how can a 180bhp modded ek4 vti pull away from a 185bhp ek9 which is lighter than a ek4 anyway ???????????????
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my mate had a ek4 that was stupid quick for a b16a2, could give my itr a good run, mainly because the b16a2 was well beat.... slightly slack bottom end... lower friction... faster revs.:shocked:lol. kept on going tho.
 
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