K20A - A few home truths.


ah cool, i feel your pain dude, just hope ya get it all sorted asap mate,,
 
I had a custom header made by John at Hytech - very very nice but very expensive. The SSR is basically a copy of that design but without the anti-reversion chambers.

There is always a bit of tweeking/fiddling to do with a K swap - just look at the no. of posts on k20.org about header fitment and clearance issues!! - but as I said before, I've never had an issue with SSR headers or EKK2 mounts - its all I use these days!

I wish I could get my hands on it and sort it out for you ;)
 
If you are binning the ABS, hope this pic helps!

I just ran a non ABS prop off a 99-00 US civic Si (rear disc model) and ran the new lines as you can see, was able to just use the old rear brake lines though :nice:

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You can of course run lines in the car and run a bias adjuster etc, although the brakes are very well balanced as standard that I didn't see the need to
 
Thanks Steven, I will leave all that to Tom, I just do the driving!
 
isnt import trung near your end chris?
im sure he could make you up a header/ system, his works looks good too
 
Would you post or PM how muchyou reckon it will have cost overall if you dont mind dude.
 
alan168 said:
isnt import trung near your end chris?
im sure he could make you up a header/ system, his works looks good too
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Waiting on other quotes first mate.

As for cost, IF everything went smoothly for a basic conversion after selling your old parts, should come in around 5.5k. So far the extras on mine are adding up:

New 2 way LSD.
BCUK 5th/6th close gears.
New clutch.
Gearbox bearings etc.

So difficult to predict final figures, as Olly has said his was 8.5k. The cost really is down to you, engine you choose EP3/DC5, quality of parts and if you decide that what one person has is not good enough and you want it done differently, and of course extras such as gearsets or plate diff. Everybodys conversion is different.

So far with all the hassle I have had, a Jun 2.2l or similar stroker kit would have been a better choice. Once I get on track with it we will see.
 
689R said:
Would you post or PM how muchyou reckon it will have cost overall if you dont mind dude.
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I've taken a look into it and it can be done for around 5,5k if you shop around for an engine. And then you get some money back for your old engine.
 
Yeh iv looked into it alot too, from what iv gathered to do it to the spec id want would be about 6.5k.

Just dont think its worth it anymore, not when I could have 330bhp for like 2.5k :/. It is the ultimate honda engine but 6.5k for an engine swap and like 245bhp. FFFFFUUU
 
330bhp for 2,5k? Explain please? Sounds like hp's that are not as reliable as from a K20A :p And it;s not 6,5, rather 6,5k - what your engine yields :p
 
Just dont think its worth it anymore, not when I could have 330bhp for like 2.5k :/.
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probs on about turbo or supercharger to get that power out of b16, or b18 with turbo or supercharger could get bit more out of it
 
Not all about the most HP you can get though really, And if it is dragging what your after then turbo would be teh easiest/cheapest way.

For what i want the car for "tracking" a K20A with a really reliable 245BHP with ultimate response would be ideal, much more so then a 320BHP turbo engine.

Ive got a FWD car with 320BHP weighing around 900KG and i can tell anyone here that its bloody difficult to put down power even in 4th gear around corners. In the wet you might as well stay at home because 5th gear wheel spin in straight line. For dragging/motorway pulls its a sure performer though.

It is possible to get a relatively good set up for track but its very hard and needs someone that knows exactly what they are doing with alot of money.

Oh and lets not forget the reliability issue you'll have over a K20a.
 
I think he means

sell his Jordan +£2.5k = 330BHP impreza

Lol, thats the way i look at it,

if i was to sell my EK9 and add 5000 i could get something alot more fun than a K20 EK9. Well, maybe not fun as that would be brilliant on track but something like an impreza P1 with a few grand in my pocket.

Props for the dedication though haitch, looking forward to hearing good reports about it when you get it on track 8)
 
I thought about another car, there are some great choices for the money, but more reasons why I chose this option. Of course the money I will spend is not sitting around in one hit.
I did not see a car I fancied over the EK9, to some blinkered maybe. Mine has everything bar a cage, and its taken a lot of effort to get this far, I have a big stack of track tyres in the shed with 12 alloys for this car. The EK9 is great on track, only falling short on the straights against much more expensive cars, I can outbrake just about everything with the Brembos, part of the fun. With the gearset/diff and the 250hp N/A I am aiming for it will be very competitive.

I am at the point of no return, it is make or break!
 
Aye I was talking about turboing my b18c. I was more making a money spent to power gains comparison, I'd have a 250 bhp k20 civic over a turboed one anyday but at the moment it's just not economically viable and I will eventually get tires of the b18. I'm in the same boat as haitch another car such as a scooby doesn't really intrest me
 
689R said:
Aye I was talking about turboing my b18c. I was more making a money spent to power gains comparison, I'd have a 250 bhp k20 civic over a turboed one anyday but at the moment it's just not economically viable and I will eventually get tires of the b18. I'm in the same boat as haitch another car such as a scooby doesn't really intrest me
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I hopy you're talking about a fully built engine with turbo? Cause otherwise it won't be near the reliability of a K20A :) And fully built engine with turbo and ancilleries won't cost you 2500 I'm afraid :p
 
Sometimes I feel like you patronise people JT ha.

I am talking about a standard engine, and for k20 being reliable, are you saying there will be no swap issues? if you think that then your simply deluded haha.

there is a guy in england just now called rikky(company race tech) turboing stock engined hondas the now, including a boy i know in real lifes ITR to 300bhp with absolutely no issues for a year before he sold it on. only engine mod was a thicket head gasket.

he also has several b18c4's making circa 400bhp running low 12 second QM's with no reliability issues (apart from destroying CV's every now and again haha)

even if your b16 or b18c4 blows up at 400 bhp, you could replace it nearly 4 times over for the price of a kswap ;)
 
689R said:
Sometimes I feel like you patronise people JT ha.
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Certainly not my intention :)
I am talking about a standard engine, and for k20 being reliable, are you saying there will be no swap issues? if you think that then your simply deluded haha.
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Never said that. If I will ever do that, I will probably make sure it's not my daily car to have the time to solve any problems that present themself.
there is a guy in england just now called rikky(company race tech) turboing stock engined hondas the now, including a boy i know in real lifes ITR to 300bhp with absolutely no issues for a year before he sold it on. only engine mod was a thicket head gasket.

he also has several b18c4's making circa 400bhp running low 12 second QM's with no reliability issues (apart from destroying CV's every now and again haha)

even if your b16 or b18c4 blows up at 400 bhp, you could replace it nearly 4 times over for the price of a kswap ;)
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Will run fine in a daily yeah. Most people don't use it that hard. But you try doing 5 laps of Nordschleife after eachother on full load, maybe a few times and I'd like to see what's left of the turbo engine with stock internals and 300hp :p
 
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