Tegiwa X Brace


I haven't used a tegiwa x-brace but my custom i felt made a noticeable difference, it hasn't been measured in anyway to prove this but it certainly felt tighter, The extra upper and lower braces on the tegiwa brace are obv just a visual extra, but imo the X-brace does make a noticeable difference, even if it is small. i wouldn't have it if i didnt think it did.

Like i say i have no proof, but just my opinion! :nice:
 
Jimbo said:
yes eurofighter typhoon :)
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Nice!

Jimbo said:
what you appolagising for, you've done nothig wrong :lol: just need to listen to others points and views once in a while.
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I do listen when someone responds with something that piques my interest, which you certainly have done. :)

Jimbo said:
there's no pont hardness testing the brace as this will prove nothing apart from the metal grade and type! i plan to measure the lateral movment from 2 rigid given points on the chassis to a singular maybe 2 points on the c pillar and suspension struts. this will be done via the use of infrared lasers and recievers atatched to the said points of interest.

the only problem i forsee will be keeping all the variables in check, i.e. cornering speed and turn in rate, any ideas??

the only other thing i can suggest is load the car with extra weight and jack up each wheel individualy putting load on the shock and stress on the chassis, measuring the amount of flex at certain points, this would be the only way to get a fair test each time. i know this is not ideal either as it would not be able to simulate load shift.
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An interesting test indeed. Not sure how you can make the loads consistent really. As you say, jacking up a wheel is not going to have the same effect as limit cornering on dry tarmac. How many times do you think you would need to run the test?
 
i reckon as may times as it takes to get a consistent figure or a pattern, so possible 3??

as you say getting the loads consistent will be the issue but the test is to see if the chassis flexes and different rates with and without the Xbrace, so i fell that loading the suspension with he car stationary and jacking up on corner will theoreticaly have the same effect when flex is the interest??

just for the records im not defending tegiwa's products, as we all know there not the best :rolleyes: i'm just trying to prove that a X-brace of any make will have a positive effect on reducing chassis flex but not eliminating the issue.
 
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in a car park or something ( for you a hanger or runway lol ) If you were to draw a big accurate circle in chalk using a point in the middle and say a 20 metre piece of string to make it accurately a circle....

would it be possible to then test the streeses by driving around in cicrcles at a constant speed of say 15MPH and then 20MPH and maybe 25MPH....

I'm sure this would give constant force's....

obv you would have to try it the other way around aswell to make it a fair test on both sides of the suspension.. never know one side might have more flex... i did notice that the rear end of the Civic EK is not mirrored either side it is completely different either side in the rear... this might equate to uneven force's...

OO maybe then we could get really tech and make a brace than even's out and distributes the force's so that they are equal either side... would make for handling perfection.. ?? ok i'll stop now.
MIght work..

i envy your ability to get these pieces of equipment mate... Specially that mirror polishing paper. :p
 
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i had one on my old vsm ek9 mate looked the part, a nightmare to fit though haha didnt feel much difference in terms of handling of the car was more for looks than anything haha
 
@Kozy: interesting case study. But I'm missing one thing. What is that brace made off and how is it made? If you take for example those overpriced Spoon things which are of a thin aluminum alloy with hinges on thin steel brackets that attach to the strut towers then the outcome is as I expected. But there are also better strutbars like Ultra Racings which are thick steel, big diameter tubing and no hinges. Imho it is not really usefull as an example as long as that it not cleared up.
 
Very good point, might be worth firing them off an email and asking actually.
 
Is there really anything wrong with tegiwa parts or do people just put them down because there a newish brand? I think some people just like to pay that extra money on big brand names to show off a little. It's a cheaper x-brace but does it not do the exact same as a miracle?

Rant over I enjoyed this thread lol.
 
Some of our parts do have the occasional issue. But as i always say they will only get better. Our ebay feedback of 99.4% over 10,000+ tranactions and 8000+ feedback shows that only a very small minority have issues.

Egshane is fueled by his mate James@Touge who has so much hate its unreal. That kid needs to grow up and better his own business rather than creating spoof websites about ours. That and egshane bought a brake stopper a couple of years ago and it had some poor welds.

I'd even be willing to send egshane a new one now. But i'm guessing he wont take it out of 'principle'. :lol:

At the end of the day we are small business created by people who love Honda me especially. We are not out to rip anyone off! But a lot of people never contact us about problems, and rather voice them months later in a 'tegiwa hate' thread.
 
simple is better with braces. direct bolt on is best, any hinge would allow movement.
keep to this idea and you will start to see which would be better over others just by looking at them.
 
I have heard a lot of bad things about review parts but no a lot of people that have parts that the are really happy with them.think I'm going to go for an x brace but try and custom fit it with my Mugen strut brace.
I'm still waiting on pics to be emailed to me of the feet on the x brace
 
Tegiwa Imports said:
At the end of the day we are small business created by people who love Honda me especially. We are not out to rip anyone off! But a lot of people never contact us about problems, and rather voice them months later in a 'tegiwa hate' thread.
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Just for the record, my comments were not against your company or your products, more just the trend of braces in general. :nice:
 
Tegiwa Imports said:
Some of our parts do have the occasional issue. But as i always say they will only get better. Our ebay feedback of 99.4% over 10,000+ tranactions and 8000+ feedback shows that only a very small minority have issues.

Egshane is fueled by his mate James@Touge who has so much hate its unreal. That kid needs to grow up and better his own business rather than creating spoof websites about ours. That and egshane bought a brake stopper a couple of years ago and it had some poor welds.

I'd even be willing to send egshane a new one now. But i'm guessing he wont take it out of 'principle'. :lol:

At the end of the day we are small business created by people who love Honda me especially. We are not out to rip anyone off! But a lot of people never contact us about problems, and rather voice them months later in a 'tegiwa hate' thread.
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Glad to see your company can stand up and accept that now and again you get it wrong! and even happier to see you car keen to find a solution!
For the record i've had numerous parts off you guys and they fit, all be it some a little better than others (one of your first mc braces, need a cap too ;) ) but the rest has been spot on!
 
Makes me laugh that most people think stiffer is always better, it's not.
 
tell that to yer ma! :p (sorry joke couldnt help myself, please do not take offense!)
 
judging from touring cars and the likes its obvious that bracing is important and benifical but i would imagine there is a limit to this when your car could be too rigid? definitely not from a few tower braces though.
 
Two reasons for what he says afaik.

1.) On the road you haven't got perfect roads. So you need some flex to cope with bumps and potholes (same reason why you don't want rock hard suspension on the road) etc.
2.) Your car has got a grey area between grip and no grip. You can feel it coming when your car starts losing grip. The stiffer your car is the smaller the grey area. So a very stiff car in terms of chassis and suspension has (almost) no grey area. What that translate to in real life driving? You won't feel your car losing grip -> no time to correct -> your car comes sideways eg and you lose your car cause you couldn't feel it coming.
 
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