Roll cages in daily's - are you guys insane??
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If i remember rightly it was another user from New Zealand that said he would never ever run a Bolt in cage as they are dangerous due to having weak points (The bolts) and he had had a few bad experiences with them.
I Could see his point but its basically the same question that has arisen here and yes, i do think Bolt in cages are safe for a road and Track car. The chances of them causing you to be worse off in a bad accident i think are so Slim that they arent worth mentioning, obviously i can see that if you hit your head hard enough against the cage padding it could do some damage, but if you hit your head hard enough against the big piece of glass next to you it could kill you just as dead, maybe even moreso
Like i say its all down to personal preferance and some people will agree and disagree with what is safest, but for me, while i have a car i take on the track and the road...Il pick having a cage everytime
I Could see his point but its basically the same question that has arisen here and yes, i do think Bolt in cages are safe for a road and Track car. The chances of them causing you to be worse off in a bad accident i think are so Slim that they arent worth mentioning, obviously i can see that if you hit your head hard enough against the cage padding it could do some damage, but if you hit your head hard enough against the big piece of glass next to you it could kill you just as dead, maybe even moreso
Like i say its all down to personal preferance and some people will agree and disagree with what is safest, but for me, while i have a car i take on the track and the road...Il pick having a cage everytime
I've never understood why it's never been enforced to have a rollcage and wear a helmet on the roads, lets face it you have to wear helmets and health and safety **** for everything else. why not cars? I'm sure it would save a few lives, which is what it's all about. wouldn't be very practicle I suppose
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I often wondered the same thing but practicality, cost and I guess safety regulations would prevent it from happening. Newer cars seem to be taking the route of having effective impact/crush zones on the car to absorb the impact lowering the g forces inflicted on the occupants of the car in the situation of a crash.
Not sure why you are getting so hung up on a cage. It will structurally keep the car in-tact. Fact is if you are using a regular seat & belt then you can be thrown about if the car rolls etc, having a cage will introduce a soild object (bars) to impact, but equally you can still impact the roof/b-pillar etc without a cage - if anything the cage will maintain integrity in the structure and prevent the roof buckling and collapsing, which can cause injuries by crushing.
A much bigger concern is the fitting of multi point harnesses with OE reclining seats (opposed to fixed back) and not using a harness bar - this is much more likely to cause severe injury than a cage!!
A much bigger concern is the fitting of multi point harnesses with OE reclining seats (opposed to fixed back) and not using a harness bar - this is much more likely to cause severe injury than a cage!!
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IMO with cage or without..if its your time to leave this world, then its your time..no escaping in that.. with or without cage it depends on every individual..if you trust the car manufacturer then your good without the cages, but there is no harm in adding some extra safety thats why they install roll cages with some individual.. (im in neutral with this points)
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Because it's not proven that it will make driving safer for people. Here in the Netherlands, a university has done research on cyclers wearing a helmet. Conclusion: cycling with a helmet (on the road, not mountainbiking or something) is NOT safer. Why? Car drivers pass you with higher speed than without wearing a helmet. Those kind of things need to be proven.
Yes, as I stated before, I realise the potential injuries it can prevent. What I'm doubting is wether it's preventing more potential injuries, than it's causing.
That is dangerous too, true. Also with reclining Recaro's like in Type R's? Same thing goes for re-using bucket seats from crashed vehicles....they might just not withstand the next crash.
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Cause some things can be more complicated than you think. It's not a bad thing to think some things over good. Just like I explained with my bicycle helmet example.
And besides, what's wrong with a healthy discussion? I don't see the problem?
And besides, what's wrong with a healthy discussion? I don't see the problem?
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i know somone that was actually saved by a full weld in rollcage. the car had rolled over 3 times and the roof was kinda caved in with the rollcage and he walked out unhurt, imagine if the rollcage wasnt there and this was a volvo t5
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Why is it dangerous to have harness installed on the OE recliner recaro? I will be installing a pair and would like some tecnical explanations as to why as I can't see why bolting to chassis will be dangerous as appose to a harness bar.
I Thought that a rollcage is meant to be safer as if you do roll the car, then it will most likely stop the roof caving in. if you have a harness or a seltbelt on then your going no where away from your seat.
Tbh i think its down to the driver, if he drives like a idoit or not. Down to own risk!
I use my car with a cage in daily with problem.
Other reason i got the cage is cause it stiffins the car up, and i think it looks cool as f*ck. lol
Tbh i think its down to the driver, if he drives like a idoit or not. Down to own risk!
I use my car with a cage in daily with problem.
Other reason i got the cage is cause it stiffins the car up, and i think it looks cool as f*ck. lol
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Its more to do with the Seat itself, with the harness effectively resting on the seat in the event of an accident the mechanism for the seat could collapse completely under the force.
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Thanks Ross for clearing that up. I thought exactly that. So a harness bar wont be any safer then the chassis itself as its exactly the same principle.
I suppose if the accident was that bad it would go straight to the weakest point "the mechanism" like you say, less likely to happen with a normal seat belt.
Saying that when crashing head on the force will throw you forward so the pressure wont be against the seat it will be towards the front away from the seat(your chest against harness against chassis points). You would need to have a huge crash from behind for the mechanism to be under the most pressure.
I cant see it being a huge risk, potentially yeah but having a huge accident there are plenty of other things to consider. Has there been related deaths due to this?
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I remember reading somewhere but cant totally remember(I think MLR) someone did die from smashing his head on a un padded roll cage but not sure what type of cage it was(
Just for talking sake, you have a 6point dash dodger cage and you had a set of harnesses and you head was a good couple of inches from the closes padded bar, you ant going to hit it unless your seat flys off(in that case your heads hitting something in a uncaged or caged car)
I had some harnesses and my passenger only had a seat belt on and he never hit the cage in this and to me it felt like a go kart with abit more impact- ok my knee was touching the front legs and I got a tiny bruise but the cage stopped the car from caving into me or trapping my leg, so for me it was safer to have the cage
If you have a cage then defo padded it up just for the worry of hitting your head when getting in and out the car or your knees hitting the cage etc but if your strapped in and your heads a good few inches from the cage I cant see it being so dangerous it being insane to have.
( Just for talking sake, you have a 6point dash dodger cage and you had a set of harnesses and you head was a good couple of inches from the closes padded bar, you ant going to hit it unless your seat flys off(in that case your heads hitting something in a uncaged or caged car)
I had some harnesses and my passenger only had a seat belt on and he never hit the cage in this and to me it felt like a go kart with abit more impact
- ok my knee was touching the front legs and I got a tiny bruise but the cage stopped the car from caving into me or trapping my leg, so for me it was safer to have the cage
If you have a cage then defo padded it up just for the worry of hitting your head when getting in and out the car or your knees hitting the cage etc but if your strapped in and your heads a good few inches from the cage I cant see it being so dangerous it being insane to have.
If you install a harness bar at the correct height so that the angle of the belt is parallel to the floor opposed to being at an inclined angle you have immediately remove the reaction load that will go through the back of the seat causing it to potentially collapse.
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not sure if this was said or not but certain insurance companies in Ireland will refuse to payout a claim if you have a roll cage in your car. Not sure why or the reason behind it but they'll refuse to pay out more for havin a roll cage over not declaring mods... so be warned
In my opinion I'd have one though. I think they're class
In my opinion I'd have one though. I think they're class