Roll cages in daily's - are you guys insane??

[Dunsy]

Basically

Your saying that a hatchback with a roll cage in it is more dangerous as a daily driven car than one without. granted i can sort of see your point with regards to hitting your head on a steel bar (if the cage is unpadded)

if you drive a convertable, you have less to hit your head on, but alot less protection than a roof or a rollcage, so which is more dangerous?

Example, a car (with no rollcage) turns over on a country lane due to speeding and slides on its roof after rolling, more than likely there will be anyone very lucky to walk away from such an accident.

The exact same accident happens with a Car fitted with a rollcage, more than likely, the roll cage will hold shape and protect the people inside the car(cage shell)

The same thing happens in an S2000...Dead, without a doubt

Thats all im saying

 

[EK9dan]

I have to say Dunsy has a strong point.

 

[gtikurt]

Dunsy is correct, With no rollcage if you flip the car on a the open road....the roof will collapse most likely killing you and if not, definately doing you some serious damage. Where those with the rollcage will bang their head on the padded cage at worst giving you a small bruise and the roof will stay to the contour of the cage.

 

[IntermaN]

Basically

Your saying that a hatchback with a roll cage in it is more dangerous as a daily driven car than one without. granted i can sort of see your point with regards to hitting your head on a steel bar (if the cage is unpadded)

if you drive a convertable, you have less to hit your head on, but alot less protection than a roof or a rollcage, so which is more dangerous?

Example, a car (with no rollcage) turns over on a country lane due to speeding and slides on its roof after rolling, more than likely there will be anyone very lucky to walk away from such an accident.

The exact same accident happens with a Car fitted with a rollcage, more than likely, the roll cage will hold shape and protect the people inside the car(cage shell)

The same thing happens in an S2000...Dead, without a doubt

Thats all im saying

Even if your cage is padded, if you are rolling there is still more chances you will keep banging your head right? It's very easy to be killed just by hitting your head. I think if you rolled your car its mostly down to luck if you survive or not.

I can see Dunsy's point though, your body may be intact more in a cage after the wreck but it doesn't mean you have a higher chance of surviving.

Every time you drive there is always a chance you will get into an accident and maybe loose your life no matter what safety equipment you have.

 

[_JT]

Basically

Your saying that a hatchback with a roll cage in it is more dangerous as a daily driven car than one without. granted i can sort of see your point with regards to hitting your head on a steel bar (if the cage is unpadded)

The thing is, I've heard from several people that really know what they're doing that the padding won't be of much use at 30g's impact or even higher. I was also planning on a full cage, but when that became doubtfull, I decided not to do that.

if you drive a convertable, you have less to hit your head on, but alot less protection than a roof or a rollcage, so which is more dangerous?

Convertibles have roll bars, don't they? Also the a-pillar is stronger. Haven't seen any statistics though about what's more dangerous.

Example, a car (with no rollcage) turns over on a country lane due to speeding and slides on its roof after rolling, more than likely there will be anyone very lucky to walk away from such an accident.

The exact same accident happens with a Car fitted with a rollcage, more than likely, the roll cage will hold shape and protect the people inside the car(cage shell)

What about you slide into a guard rail sideways, the side isn't that crushed cause the impact of the blow is spread out over the whole side instead of a few square inches, but your head slams into the cage?

The same thing happens in an S2000...Dead, without a doubt

Thats all im saying

Not sure about that one, the roll bars aren't there for nothing Some brands even apply roll bars that extend into the air when crashing

Where those with the rollcage will bang their head on the padded cage at worst giving you a small bruise and the roof will stay to the contour of the cage.

Read my quote. That guy could barely walk after his knee hit the heavily padded roll cage. Thats no good for your head

 

[powey]

If you have a side impact you will hit your head on the window not the cage, unless your seriously tall?

If fitting a full cage I beleive you should have bucket seats, therefore should be sat down lower

 

[_JT]

Also, why wouldn't Porsche, Renault (Megane R26R) and others install a full cage if it were safer and way better for your grip, while it doesn't cost that much? I know it's not direct proof, but imho it's something to think about.

Edit: I just mailed Porsche to ask what their opinion is

If you have a side impact you will hit your head on the window not the cage, unless your seriously tall?

If fitting a full cage I beleive you should have bucket seats, therefore should be sat down lower

So you believe you will just slide sideways and you wouldn't go up even a bit into the air? I don't believe that. Just take a look at some crash video's of the inside and you'll see

 

[EK9dan]

For me this subject is based on my opinion as i have no actually experience, and to be honest its always going to be an opinion until some statistics are shown and proper tests in varies circumstances.

 

[_JT]

For me this subject is based on my opinion as i have no actually experience, and to be honest its always going to be an opinion until some statistics are shown and proper tests in varies circumstances.

I know, that's why I mailed Porsche, who knows what they can tell me

 

[powey]

Lol, I like how much depth your going into for this, Have you asked renault about the R26r?

 

[Vtec6000]

AFAIK in alot of countries full cages are against the law in a road going vehicle so could be why the likes of Porsche and Ferrari don't fit them

 

[_JT]

Lol, I like how much depth your going into for this, Have you asked renault about the R26r?

No cause I'm shite in French and French people are **** with English :+ But I do know some german so I decided to ask Porsche

 

[Dunsy]

Standard

 

[CAL]

having a properly fitted cage is safer than having no cage imo

 

[Vtec6000]

Standard

911 GT3 RS Think the cage is only in rear on those and does not extend to front

 

[Dunsy]

Noone can say what will you will come out of your seat in a bad accident, you could easily come out of your seat vertically and hit your head on the B pillar arch of the cage

 

[divinu]

I went through all this thread and I cannot understand it yet. JT are you saying that all the racing cars and championships held around the world have the WRONG safety standards???

The FIA has spent years exploring and improving different possibilites to improve safety. You are also forgetting that professional roll cage manufacturers such as OMP and CUSCO, go through an FIA standards check and if you are going to race the roll cage MUST be FIA approved!

Having said that, a roll cage will prove ultra safe only if you couple it with a bucket seat and a proper harness. No sense in making a roll cage if you end up being thrown all over the dashboard in a crash. With regards the flexing thing, I dont think you are correct. Cars straight out of the factory have flexing harnesses that LOCK up upon impact. So even in a normal car, the seat belt will try to keep you in your seat!

Obviously it all depends on the type of accident you may have. But considering all things, a roll cage is always going to make you safer.

 

[_JT]

I went through all this thread and I cannot understand it yet. JT are you saying that all the racing cars and championships held around the world have the WRONG safety standards???

Can you quote me where I'm saying that? I have absolutely no idea where you are getting this from.

Having said that, a roll cage will prove ultra safe only if you couple it with a bucket seat and a proper harness. No sense in making a roll cage if you end up being thrown all over the dashboard in a crash. With regards the flexing thing, I dont think you are correct. Cars straight out of the factory have flexing harnesses that LOCK up upon impact. So even in a normal car, the seat belt will try to keep you in your seat!

It won't completely. Maybe you should read up about deceleration injuries.

Obviously it all depends on the type of accident you may have. But considering all things, a roll cage is always going to make you safer.

Any kind of prove for this? To be more specific: got any proof that a roll cage in a daily driven car without wearing a helmet is safer than no cage?

 

[Dunsy]

it really comes down to personal opinion i think

No matter what facts are thrown at me i would always rather have the extra protection of a rollcage

 

[Cartney_265]

Dunsy: Did you not have a debate about cages with someone before, i remember the guy saying it was bolt in cages he thought were unsafe but welded in were fine iirc

Personally if i was in a crash, i'd rather have a cage than no cage, just my thoughts