M3 Vs Type-R


EK9dan said:
Thats was a M3 CSL, not a stock M3 e46. S2000 is not faster then a B18CR EK9. Well at least not mine anyway "proven" again.

Do you have the experience in this subject?
Click to expand...

crap sorry,never saw that..:angry2:
im an apprentice mechanic but that does nt really matter
the only way to really find out would be to put them side by side and race..:drive:

sorry again ek9dan
 
both fast stock!!! bmw faster end of !!!

more fun honda that wht we on a honda (ek9) forum not bmw (m3) forum end of !!!
 
muiris said:
crap sorry,never saw that..:angry2:
im an apprentice mechanic but that does nt really matter
the only way to really find out would be to put them side by side and race..:drive:

sorry again ek9dan
Click to expand...


No worries mate
 
SPek9 said:
OK Mr BMW technician thats fair enough but the point I was trying to make is that the racing driver in that video would have used the brakes to their potential and that also the lap times shown at the end were simply the fastest lap so the driver would have put the fastest lap for the csl down before the brakes faded.

The brakes on the Csl were actually an upgrade from the standard e46 m3 but were only available for both the models after. The csl would also brake alot better than the regular m3 due to far less weight and handle better because of this and the semi-slick tyres.

The s2000 also has single piston callipers and would be alot smaller than the CSL calipers and pads. My point is that you cannot use bad brakes as an excuse for a standard s2000 only being 1 second slower than a CSL M3 in a lap
Click to expand...


if you watch he spends plenty of time stuck behind the mx5 in this time he could quite easily have exceeded the working temps of the standard pads and discs,

as for them being an upgrade no they are not they are 100% the exact same m3's have had cross drilled discs of that type and size since they came out (51 plates iirc) they always have done throughout their production lifespan the only chassis options offered from the factory where EDC electronic damping force control and a choice of the multi spoke 18's or the more commonly seen polished face 19's that you see on the vast majority of them then obv. the BBS wheels that the csl and cs came with

if he was using a standard csl, as the point of the whole exercise in that video was to prove, and he was driving it hard (which from the looks of it he was) he would have been experiencing brake fade in a very short space of time.

what i'm saying is that the only reason the times for the csl are only that much quicker are most likely down to the driver having to factor in some quite excessive brake fade
 
Gorbash12346 said:
official 1/4 mile times for e46 1/4 Mile — 13.3 s @ 104 mph (167.4 km/h)
Click to expand...

I know i said i wouldnt post but hay, cant help it.....

Having searched around seems most people get around 13.5@ circa(104MPH) in stock M3, some get a little higher and some get a little lower. Their 60ft times are at around 2.0-2.1.

I think the main thing is pulling off the line, and they can do that well with good driver, better then a civic can. Thats also alot to do with the driver.

On a roll from 1st gear i can promise you it is the same speed as my EK9 till about 100MPH as ive raced 3 now and one of them being one of my friends. Best time from my EK9 was 13.7@101.mph.... with 60 ft of 2.294

My time isnt far off from the average person gets from the M3. And put on the road there was literally 0 difference at all till 100MPH, if anything i was ever so slightly in front but was pretty much identical. Thats the truth. Its not hard to believe really.

Here is a quick video to show how quickly it accelerates to 100MPH, certainly isnt shy.
http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/starlet-3sgte/Videos/?action=view&current=MOV00019.flv
 
Last edited:
In my opinion m3 cars are faster than type r's, stock vrs stock, and tuned maybe a turbo honda has a chance..

But a 1800cc+ ek9 maybe can scare a m3 driver for some seconds hehehehe :D
 
rvm said:
In my opinion m3 cars are faster than type r's, stock vrs stock, and tuned maybe a turbo honda has a chance..

But a 1800cc+ ek9 maybe can scare a m3 driver for some seconds hehehehe :D
Click to expand...

I agree :nice:

If you have a built civic for instance k20 turbo, you can bit the M3 or others strong cars, but the engine is stock, you haven't any chance.

Look at the vid. what I posted on the photos/videos topic. (JDM Civic Tribute)

at 8.39 (E46 M3 Vs. built EF Civic)
 
Gorbash12346 said:
as for them being an upgrade no they are not they are 100% the exact same m3's have had cross drilled discs of that type and size since they came out (51 plates iirc) they always have done throughout their production lifespan the only chassis options offered from the factory where EDC electronic damping force control and a choice of the multi spoke 18's or the more commonly seen polished face 19's that you see on the vast majority of them then obv. the BBS wheels that the csl and cs came with

what i'm saying is that the only reason the times for the csl are only that much quicker are most likely down to the driver having to factor in some quite excessive brake fade
Click to expand...

Just to prove that the expert is wrong again, below is taken straight from wikipedia and highlighted in bold is the upgraded brake specification:

M3 Competition Package
While it is known as the M3 Competition Package in the US and mainland Europe, it is also known as the M3 CS (Club Sport) in the UK.

19-inch BBS spin-cast (flow formed) alloy wheels (marketed as "forged"); 19"x8"front, 19"x9.5"rear: weigh 26 lb (12 kg).
Specially tuned spring rates for the Competition Package; this was carried over to all M3 production from 12/04 on.
CSL steering rack: More direct steering ratio of 14.5:1 (vs. standard M3's 15.4:1)
CSL's M-Track Mode DSC with a button mounted on the steering wheel (deletion of cruise control and steering wheel mounted radio/phone controls)
CSL's Compound cross-drilled rotors; larger front rotor of 13.6 inches (from 12.6 inches) with black painted calipers
Alcantara steering wheel, gear lever and hand brake
Interlagos Blue exterior paint available as an exclusive color option.
Unique cube aluminum interior trim




At the end of the day if you are trying to argue that an m3 Csl brakes will fade that quickly even tho they are cross-drilled large rotors. When you compare them to the far smaller and not even cross-drilled standard rotors on the s2000 can you not even realise that they will fade the same if not more than the CSL brakes

Why cant people just accept the simple facts
 
rvm said:
In my opinion m3 cars are faster than type r's, stock vrs stock, and tuned maybe a turbo honda has a chance..

But a 1800cc+ ek9 maybe can scare a m3 driver for some seconds hehehehe :D
Click to expand...

agree 100%!!:nice:

SPek9 said:
Just to prove that the expert is wrong again, below is taken straight from wikipedia and highlighted in bold is the upgraded brake specification:

M3 Competition Package
While it is known as the M3 Competition Package in the US and mainland Europe, it is also known as the M3 CS (Club Sport) in the UK.

19-inch BBS spin-cast (flow formed) alloy wheels (marketed as "forged"); 19"x8"front, 19"x9.5"rear: weigh 26 lb (12 kg).
Specially tuned spring rates for the Competition Package; this was carried over to all M3 production from 12/04 on.
CSL steering rack: More direct steering ratio of 14.5:1 (vs. standard M3's 15.4:1)
CSL's M-Track Mode DSC with a button mounted on the steering wheel (deletion of cruise control and steering wheel mounted radio/phone controls)
CSL's Compound cross-drilled rotors; larger front rotor of 13.6 inches (from 12.6 inches) with black painted calipers
Alcantara steering wheel, gear lever and hand brake
Interlagos Blue exterior paint available as an exclusive color option.
Unique cube aluminum interior trim




At the end of the day if you are trying to argue that an m3 Csl brakes will fade that quickly even tho they are cross-drilled large rotors. When you compare them to the far smaller and not even cross-drilled standard rotors on the s2000 can you not even realise that they will fade the same if not more than the CSL brakes

Why cant people just accept the simple facts
Click to expand...

I wouldnt believe what is said on Wikipedia for a minute as any joker can update it! I believe the technicia dude! lol nah just jokin! honestly lets end this thread on what RVM said above, great point thanks RVM!:clap:
 
I give up.

I turbo Honda running decent boost would completley destroy an m3 on a roll.

I must have been dreaming when I had those 3 races. Also my stats I've put up mean nothing.
 
EK9dan said:
I give up.

I turbo Honda running decent boost would completley destroy an m3 on a roll.

I must have been dreaming when I had those 3 races. Also my stats I've put up mean nothing.
Click to expand...

Lol yes mate give up!

It's a totally pointless thread if you ask me...no point wasting time on it anymore. I believe you can beat an E36 M3 hands down so dont worry :)
 
sure i can beat m3's. just the other day i was on the dual carrageway and an m3 was in the slow lane doing 100kmph, i passed him with ease at 110 kmph, just than a yaris blew me off the road doing 120km, i was like woah wtf man i just shat on an m3 and i got passed by a yaris?!?!

pointless threads these are lol
 
i think a few people havent seen the vid of a boosted ek slaughtering an r35 gtr?
 
JDMarron said:
Lol yes mate give up!

It's a totally pointless thread if you ask me...no point wasting time on it anymore. I believe you can beat an E36 M3 hands down so dont worry :)
Click to expand...



Your right,

just wen you have personal experience with both cars and racing them you think that would mean more then "an opinion".

Oh well.......

Peace
 
Look everyone...It has come to my attention that this has got way out of control! for one....the first post states E36! not the E46! In my experience the E46 is quite a bit faster than the E36. I have experience in racing both and driving both...well the E46 anyway. People who havent had experience in any of this should not comment anymore..cos you cannot go by figures to work a race out all the time so i'm with EK9Dan on it this one, if you have no experience then dont comment.

I'm with EK9 Dan on his B18c EK9 being quicker than an M3 as my old Sir kept up with one!

I wish i was a MOD cos i'd delete this thread! But dont cos i'm trying to get my post count up! :) lol
 
Last edited:
Cheers matey, just to clarrify, I didn't say mine was quicker, but definitely a direct competitor. I only know this as I've raced them, one being a friend that was completley shocked at the results.

These threads always get out of hand. lol
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top