M3 Vs Type-R


SPek9 said:
They are not really in a different league when it comes to 0-100mph and on the track also. I was out on track with two e46 m3s in my old dc2 and was slightly quicker than both of them, one of them couldnt accept that a wee honda was pushing him around the track and the marshals actually had to give him the blue flag to move over and let me past. Both the m3 drivers did loads of these trackdays, drove their cars hard and they were also modded slightly for the track (tyres, brakes and suspension)
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Give both cars to a professional racing driver and see the difference. Front wheel drive cars are easier to drive fast than rear wheel drive cars.
Also it depends on the track.
 
You must have really rose tinted specs to believe a 185-200bhp honda civic will keep with a 320bhp 170mph capable M3 lol.

The only hondas iv ever seen bully these cars in a straight line are a 300bhp SC EP3 and Im sure my friends 250bhp fully stripped out eg would stay with one till 140 or so.
 
IntermaN said:
Give both cars to a professional racing driver and see the difference. Front wheel drive cars are easier to drive fast than rear wheel drive cars.
Also it depends on the track.
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I understand what you are saying but you also have to remember that the dc2 is one of if not the best fwd handeling production cars ever made and it has over 200bhp and only weighs just over 1 tonne, were as the m3 may have over 300bhp but it weighs 1570kg! With cars that are set-up properly in general the lighter they are, the faster they go around corners.

The track that we were on is quite high speed with two big straights and one 125mph+ corner
 
With the weight of an M3 it works out as 218bhp per tonne
 
ive raced 3 M3 E46 and one of them was my mates one. 0-100MPH i can stay half a car length in front then after 100MPH they start to pull past reasonably quickly.

Definitely NOT in a a different league. My EK9 weighs around 1000KG now and E46 M3 weighs on the wrong side of 1500KG. Power to weight ratio my friends :win:
 
EK9dan said:
ive raced 3 M3 E46 and one of them was my mates one. 0-100MPH i can stay half a car length in front then after 100MPH they start to pull past reasonably quickly.

Definitely NOT in a a different league. My EK9 weighs around 1000KG now and E46 M3 weighs on the wrong side of 1500KG. Power to weight ratio my friends :win:
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Well said its all about the power to weight ratio:thanks: M3s are no doubt a fast car but they are only in a different league when it comes to over 100mph and no one needs to go over 100mph unless they are on the track
 
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YouTube - Tsukuba Battle - Japanese vs European Cars

If anyone is interested watch the above link. It is a Tsukuba battle in Japan, with Japanese vs European cars with racing drivers.

At the very end it shows each cars best lap time and the M3 CSL which is in another league again from an ordinary e46 m3 (355bhp & 185kg lighter not to mention tyre, brake and suspension upgrades!) is only 1 second a lap quicker than the 2nd place Honda s2000!
 
SPek9 said:
they are only in a different league when it comes to over 100mph and no one needs to go over 100mph unless they are on the track
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thats a matter of opinion tbh. if you cant beat a car from 100mph plus then your car is not faster, doesnt matter if its legal or not lol, if you cant pull away at higher speeds your car is not faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmDz1mm1-d4

13.4 and 13.6 no stock ek9 will do that haha.
 
689R said:
thats a matter of opinion tbh. if you cant beat a car from 100mph plus then your car is not faster, doesnt matter if its legal or not lol, if you cant pull away at higher speeds your car is not faster.



13.4 and 13.6 no stock ek9 will do that haha.
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They are not stock, you can here they at least have an exhaust system. They dont do 13.4 seconds stock.

And after 100MPH thats top end. So you can say it has more top end pull but accelerates pretty much the same. And i raced them to 125MPH and they were only about 2 cars in front. Not exactly much is it?

Im not saying my EK9 is faster, but definitely in the same league.

The M3 E92 is in a different league yes, not the E36/46.
 
SPek9 said:
YouTube - Tsukuba Battle - Japanese vs European Cars

If anyone is interested watch the above link. It is a Tsukuba battle in Japan, with Japanese vs European cars with racing drivers.

At the very end it shows each cars best lap time and the M3 CSL which is in another league again from an ordinary e46 m3 (355bhp & 185kg lighter not to mention tyre, brake and suspension upgrades!) is only 1 second a lap quicker than the 2nd place Honda s2000!
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most likely because the standard brakes aren't up to track work and he was taking it easy on them
 
689R said:
thats a matter of opinion tbh. if you cant beat a car from 100mph plus then your car is not faster, doesnt matter if its legal or not lol, if you cant pull away at higher speeds your car is not faster.

YouTube - e36 M3 Evo vs e46 M3 Santa Pod

13.4 and 13.6 no stock ek9 will do that haha.
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X2 they are not stock m3s. If you need to go faster over 100mph than another car you must be compensating for a small *****. Im happy enough to be able to keep up with one to 100mph in a small 4cyl engined car and out handle one on a track. Straight line racing is for people who are too scared or unable to pilot a car properly around a track lol
 
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okay it has an exhaust. Still no EK9 with an exhaust will do a 13.4 or 13.6. Also Dan your car has a different engine and also is obviously very quick! But its not a standard car haha.

This thread is annoying, an ek9 will have around 170/180BHP per tonne compared to an M3 which has around 220.

To specek9, aye no bother, next time I race a golfgti/corsa vxr etc etc on the motorway or a duel carridgeway Il stop next to him and ask if we can visit the nearest track to continue our race.
 
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Gorbash12346 said:
most likely because the standard brakes aren't up to track work and he was taking it easy on them
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Is that a serious statement:lol: For a start an M3 CLS does not have standard brakes and they are far superior than the standard s2k brakes! and yes a racing driver who is testing a sports car against others in a lap battle is going to go easy on the brakes:blabla:
 
Moral of the story, the M3 is going to beat you unless your racing in a cul de sac:lol: I'm all for honda's but I know when to admit another car is quicker. Even if they are heavier the figures speak for themself. E46 M3, 343 PS (252 kW; 338 hp) @ 7900 rpm and torque,365 N·m (269 lb·ft) @ 4900 rpm
 
My uncle has an E46 m3 and i have driven it a few times. My best mate has a EK9 and i have driven that loads of times. A standard EK9 in standard from Vs an M3 in standard form the E46 will beat it. How do i know this? because my best mate and my uncle had a race! lol....yea the ek9 due to its weight can just keep up in 2nd but 3rd onwards there is so much of a difference

But my stage 1 S14a beat the M3 :)
 
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JDMarron said:
My uncle has an E46 m3 and i have driven it a few times. My best mate has a EK9 and i have driven that loads of times. A standard EK9 in standard from Vs an M3 in standard form the E46 will beat it. How do i know this? because my best mate and my uncle had a race! lol....yea the ek9 due to its weight can just keep up in 2nd but 3rd onwards there is so much of a difference

But my stage 1 S14a beat the M3 :)
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Oh a stock EK9 would get WOOOPED by an M3. Im talking about my personal experience with my B18CR EK9.

I can definitely admit when a cars faster, cor ive had my arese handed to me in my EK9 a couple of times lol. Just not by the likes of an M3 E46.
 
Ah right..well i reckon that a stripped out B18c EK9 (which my mates now is lol, i have experience in a lot of different set up'd cars as you can tell!) would probable give it a really good race to lets say 100...but i dont race to 100. A B18c EK9 would beat an m3 round a close track for sure. But there are a lot of factors that dictate that a car is quicker than another i guess..
 
In fact no....i reckon a stripped out b18cR'd ek9 would beat an M3 to over 100. I think the M3's are flat and boring

I just checked the first post on this again and he actually state's an E36 M3 and not the E46.
 
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To be quicker than an M3 an ek9 would need to either weigh around 900kgs and have like 210/215BHP or weigh a tonne and have 225bhp etc.

I just think its stupid going, oh yeh an EK9 is faster from 22.6mph to 49.8mph. If you have to set guidelines then its just looking for holes in the other car.

The M3 would win from a 60 roll and in a QM dash most likely too. Therefore faster in general. Its impossible to say which is faster round a track.
 
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