M3 Vs Type-R


Yea to be honest this is a silly thread...there are too many like this lol. Just a thread where people can rant and rave about races and how quick their car is.

An M3 is a very quick grand tourer

An EK9 is a very quick track weapon.

No point comparing anymore.

Who cares
 
ek9 stock or mildly modded would hands down get smoked by any M3. I can hardly keep up with Cal (on this forum) and he drives a BMW 330ci (230bhp)!
 
there are hundreds of factors from tires to driver capability. An e36 M3 is a VERY fast car, but lacks the raw feel and agility of the ek9, especially if the 9 as JDMarron says, is b18'd. On a straight drag to 100+ the m3 has more torque and more top end pull but the ek would make up for that in weight advantage but from 80-100 onwards the m3 would really come into its stride. At the end of the day both cars are fast but in there own situations and conditions, as JDMarron said, if you put an ek and an m3 on a small circuit, the ek9 would easily be able to stick up for itself. Ive raced race cars, road and all sorts and the one that stands out for me is how easily a Lotus exige 240 supercharged will wipe the floor with a ferrari 360. prime example
 
689R said:
To be quicker than an M3 an ek9 would need to either weigh around 900kgs and have like 210/215BHP or weigh a tonne and have 225bhp etc.

I just think its stupid going, oh yeh an EK9 is faster from 22.6mph to 49.8mph. If you have to set guidelines then its just looking for holes in the other car.

The M3 would win from a 60 roll and in a QM dash most likely too. Therefore faster in general. Its impossible to say which is faster round a track.
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I wasnt trying to say that an ek9 is quicker than an e46 M3 just that they are not in a different league. Also that a modded ek9 will give the M3 a good run to 100mph which is impressive enough for a 1.6 thats all!

I would like to own a nice E46 M3 myself one day, for the reason that they look great, have alot of power, handle well and are also very comfortable and far more practical for everyday use. I would still like to have an ek9 for how fun they are to drive, easy to work on and modify and great on the track
 
An E46 M3 is quicker then a EK9 by quiet a bit, i had a play with a E46 M3 on country roads a few months back in the wet, was close though, the m3 is quicker though!
 
no doubt they are quicker its going to be having double the displacement 3.2l ? or not far off (correct me if i am wrong)

i had a play with a m3 on way back from getting my 9 on motorway he was about 4-5 car lengths ahead at 147, restricted to 155 it not got much left to go and i was still not far off so not exactly a different league, both are fast cars but more fun i personally think in a ek9, i find bmw a bit boring and executive for my age lol

maybe i will change as i grow older =)
 
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SPek9 said:
Is that a serious statement:lol: For a start an M3 CLS does not have standard brakes and they are far superior than the standard s2k brakes! and yes a racing driver who is testing a sports car against others in a lap battle is going to go easy on the brakes:blabla:
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:wow:
csl has the same brakes as the standard E46 M3 funnily enough i'd know because i'm a bmw technician and the pads and discs are both exactly the same, and on each box they state which models the pads will fit and if the discs didn't come out of a multipack they also state it. they are single piston callipers all round and on a track they grumble and fade very quickly

so yes i'd say i'm being pretty serious and if you'd like to go on the csl register you will find the first port of call for every csl owner before track work is to upgrade the standard brakes as they are woefully inadequate for more than fast road use
 
Gorbash12346 said:
:wow:
csl has the same brakes as the standard E46 M3 funnily enough i'd know because i'm a bmw technician and the pads and discs are both exactly the same, and on each box they state which models the pads will fit and if the discs didn't come out of a multipack they also state it. they are single piston callipers all round and on a track they grumble and fade very quickly
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OK Mr BMW technician thats fair enough but the point I was trying to make is that the racing driver in that video would have used the brakes to their potential and that also the lap times shown at the end were simply the fastest lap so the driver would have put the fastest lap for the csl down before the brakes faded.

The brakes on the Csl were actually an upgrade from the standard e46 m3 but were only available for both the models after. The csl would also brake alot better than the regular m3 due to far less weight and handle better because of this and the semi-slick tyres.

The s2000 also has single piston callipers and would be alot smaller than the CSL calipers and pads. My point is that you cannot use bad brakes as an excuse for a standard s2000 only being 1 second slower than a CSL M3 in a lap
 
in actuall fact speaking from experience in track racing, faded brakes can take seconds off your lap time, you have to brake earlier. At the end of the day an m3 is going to beat an ek9 on a straight up drag, its a massively powerfull car, but the ek would hold its own easier on a tight twisty track, thats it in a nutshell.
 
SPek9 said:
The s2000 also has single piston callipers and would be alot smaller than the CSL calipers and pads. My point is that you cannot use bad brakes as an excuse for a standard s2000 only being 1 second slower than a CSL M3 in a lap
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On the Tsukuba track, one second is a long time it only takes around a minute to finish it.

Around Nordschleife the CSL did 7:50 and the S2000 did it in 8:39. The CSL is an absolute machine, it's almost a super-car.
 
I wouldnt say an M3 E46 is massively powerful :lol:

My starlet completely embarrasses them. They are a generally fast/competitive car thats in a similar league to a B18CR EK9. This thread is repeating itself. Only people that have experience with the subject should comment really. Dont always go by figures on a bit of paper unless they are so far out its obvious.

Power to weight ratio should be used as a guide NOT to be taken literal to the point of determining a race.

so many factors, gearing/grip/power under the curve etc etc etc........

The CSL is a different story. I wouldnt put that in the same category as an EK9B18.
 
Championship White said:
On the Tsukuba track, one second is a long time it only takes around a minute to finish it.

Around Nordschleife the CSL did 7:50 and the S2000 did it in 8:39. The CSL is an absolute machine, it's almost a super-car.
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To be fair though the Nordschleife has huge high speed straights. I would say the M3 will have the better advantage over all on a high speed track. Different tracks will suit different cars as you know.

I think the CSL is in a different league anyway. Its a tuned M3 :shocked:
 
Championship White said:
On the Tsukuba track, one second is a long time it only takes around a minute to finish it.

Around Nordschleife the CSL did 7:50 and the S2000 did it in 8:39. The CSL is an absolute machine, it's almost a super-car.
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The original question was what a regular e46 M3 would go like against an ek9. Obviously the M3 would win in a straight line but with a few mods to the ek9 it could hold its own to 100mph and do very well against an m3 on a short track.

Also saying that one second on Tsukuba is a long time, you also have to take into account that when the CSL was tested on the 5th gear track by Tiff against a regular e46 M3 it was 2 SECONDS FASTER and the 5th gear track would be a smaller circuit than Tsukuba. In relation to Nordschleife I can easily understand this as it is a very long track with alot of very high speed straights and corners.

No one is trying to say that a type-r is faster than an M3
 
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This is the thing, anyone modify their car in order to keep up or be faster then a stock car... When it came out of the factory the M3 and EK9 were already in a different league. Once you start to modify you can only compare a car with similar mods.
 
THIS IS STUPID.
I cant believe ye are argueing over this
bmer wins easily,sure it beat the s2000 in the vid easily and thats 250 brake.
pointless..:angry:
 
muiris said:
THIS IS STUPID.
I cant believe ye are argueing over this
bmer wins easily,sure it beat the s2000 in the vid easily and thats 250 brake.
pointless..:angry:
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Thats was a M3 CSL, not a stock M3 e46. S2000 is not faster then a B18CR EK9. Well at least not mine anyway "proven" again.

Do you have the experience in this subject?
 
Some peoples comments are actually irritating me now so this is my last post in this thread.

Yes all, i think my ek9 is the fastest thing in the world and beats everything. Im lying about what im saying too, ive never raced any M3.

Honda FTMFW one1111on1o1no1n1on1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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