B18C V B16B Comparison Video -Rolling Start


D'janiero

D'janiero

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I came across this video lastnight on the civiclife forum.
Basically one of the members was asking what engine he should go for, out of b16b or b18c.
Then another member posted up this video of his b18c ek v an EK9 (b16b).
I dunno what mods have been done to each car, but either way the b18c seems to pull like a train in comparison to the b16b. Are they really this fast in comparison guys?.If so I reccon a b18c will keep me happy for a while untill I can fund a turbo build:D.

04012009024.flv video by Frolic11 - Photobucket
 
Makes me feel a bit happier.

Still, only really valid if both have stock engines and weight.

Thanks for sharing :nice:
 
Wasn't really a equal start and that can make a big difference, although the b18c is a good bit quicker
 
i know one day ill hopefully be putting a b18 in my 9 heard good things + been out in my mate jdm dc2 rapid!!!
 
I'll most definately be putting a B18C into my EK9, hopefully this summer. In the middle of organising all of my suspension, after that, its onto the B18C. :nice:
 
Ime building a high comp b18c with a set of jun type 3 cams. I should be done by late spring.
 
to all you b18 ek9 owners out there what is the average cost of such a transplant, i understand is difficult to calculate the cost (especially if you don't want to know yourselves!) just an idea is all i'm after,

engine cost?
labour?
additional parts?
 
yeah that video didnt say too much, but its obvious the B18 will be quicker, If i had only one car i would go K20 on my EK though.....

As ive got a 500WHP starlet in progress, the sound of 15BHP more then i already have in the EK doesnt exactly reel me in lol..... Still, looks like a great mod in comparison to a stock B16B.... But as a road car some mild well chosen mods to the B16B can work very well...... The small mods i have done ive certainly noticed an improvement and it shows when comparing to other cars....

I think if i personally got beaten hard by a B18 EK then i would be more "wow", but ive raced a JDM ITR with a couple of mods and i can safely say there was not a great deal in it... He had 3 people and i had 1 but i pulled from him still in 1st and 2nd gear and the start of 3rd, not much but still pulled on him,
1 on 1 i would say he would slightly of had me and his best time up strip was 14.2........ But not that much, and i had exhaust/decat then..... now got light flywheel, better intake system and will have Import stung header im confidant there wont be alot in it by no means.....

Sorry for the long post, i went off on one there lol
 
He had 2 people up on you, so what..lets say an extra 130kg in weight if both people weighed around 10 stone.

Or you mean he had 4 in total and you had 2 in total...which is even more weight LOL
 
Gee said:
He had 2 people up on you, so what..lets say an extra 130kg in weight if both people weighed around 10 stone.

Or you mean he had 4 in total and you had 2 in total...which is even more weight LOL
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He had a teenage girl in the back and his mate in the front, And im not just saying this they were all pretty small lads, so yeah lets average it on 10 stone each.....

I was on my own.... and im not small small chap.

He had same mods as me pretty much, and i pulled on him till at least around 70MPH then we had to let off. This was from a roll in first gear bearing in mind he hit the accelerater a tad before i did too..... I know the 2 people make a difference but dam, not "that" much.... I didnt struggle to pull ahead...

He would have pulled on me Very slightly judging by the race if we had even people.... Trust me, it really wasnt much quicker.

With a couple of more mods the EK will stay with it with ease.... Stock on stock i can see there is a bit of difference but dam, i dont think enough unless the conversion was very cheap... For my application i dont think it would be worth while put it that way....
 
It at depends of the video, some times a B16B can keep up but the B18C has the advantage of displacement.

In this video, I was able to pass a B18C dc2 on the straight away.

YouTube - EK9 Civic Type-R vrs. DC2 Integra Type R

But this doesn't means that the B16B is faster than the B18C.
 
Thats my point RVM,

The B18 isnt the "be all and end all"

Ive raced another intergra, think it was an SIR and that didnt really stand too much of a chance....

I do think its a little bit hyped up, yeah im sure its quicker, but dam, isnt leagues apart by no means, nothing a few mods cant sort out :)
 
I like this mans thinking^

B18 is obviously a good engine without a doubt but going by quite a few peoples posts on here it seems people think its the most amazing engine ever lol. Im sure they dont actually mean it that way but thats kind of what some of the posts make out to be. Soon as someone mentions engine conversion or something like that its all B18 B18 B18 lol.

The money needed to buy a B18 and all the gubbins for instance in an EK4 or whatever you could build yourself a decent B20 with the same power/just over but more torque. Dont want to cause arguments or anything of the sort but it seems people are a bit too quick to jump on the B18 bandwagon lol...
 
@ Jason.s and ek9dan - I see where your coming from. Everyone seems to be going b18c crazy over here in the UK at the mo lol. I just want to know if there really is that much difference between the two before I do the conversion.
Everyone I've spoken to who has done one (mostly ek9 owners who have done the engine swop), or been out for a ride in a b18c ek says there is huge difference, which may not seem so on paper but when comparing the two out on the street/strip, deffinately a noticeable difference.
 
The B18C I went it seemed quite a bit faster than B16B, but I was in the passenger seat in the B18C and not driving, so not sure.

Djan,

Get together with JimBob, we can compare with him.

I'd be up for a mini meet.
 
D'janiero said:
@ Jason.s and ek9dan - I see where your coming from. Everyone seems to be going b18c crazy over here in the UK at the mo lol. I just want to know if there really is that much difference between the two before I do the conversion.
Everyone I've spoken to who has done one (mostly ek9 owners who have done the engine swop), or been out for a ride in a b18c ek says there is huge difference, which may not seem so on paper but when comparing the two out on the street/strip, deffinately a noticeable difference.
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Well buddy, They say a DC2 is the same weight if not lighter then an EK and ive mentioned my little encounter with one, and also an SIR Integra soo....

You have to think, It normally makes around 15BHP more and around 10bls of torque more(roughly) .... You know what 15HP is, so judge on that :)

If you want a mental project i sure wouldnt go from a B16B to a B18C...

Go K20 if thats the case as a few mods on those things are hitting 230BHP :shocked: ... And thats with alot more torque not 10-15lbs more.....

All depends how desperate you are for that bit bit more power....

even a B20 would be better, thats a fair jump.
 
Yep - no matter what you do to your B16b, if it stays 1600 a B18c will always have a lot more torque than B16b.

You just need a good setup so you can carve the 1800s up around the corners :)
 
timmiblc said:
Yep - no matter what you do to your B16b, if it stays 1600 a B18c will always have a lot more torque than B16b.

You just need a good setup so you can carve the 1800s up around the corners :)
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Exactly.

No replacement for displacement unless your strapping turbo's on!

My plan was going to be:

Muffler
Header
Intake
Hondata

Then:

B18C and carry all the mods over and tune.

Sell B16B to make back the money for the cost of the B18C.

If mods are identical, then the B18C is always going to have more power/torque than the B16B?
 
Gee said:
Exactly.

No replacement for displacement unless your strapping turbo's on!

My plan was going to be:

Muffler
Header
Intake
Hondata

Then:

B18C and carry all the mods over and tune.

Sell B16B to make back the money for the cost of the B18C.

If mods are identical, then the B18C is always going to have more power/torque than the B16B?
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On a healthy B18C motor YES, I'll say like 10 more whp + 10 lbs/ft of more torque at least.

When I had a ek9, it had 155 whp, and 109 lb/ft of torque, then I got a B18C (not the same mods, since the B18C had mugen intake and header) it had 171 whp and 121lb/ft of torque.
 
yes we are talking 15bhp or so of more power.......

@timmiblc... I wouldnt say no matter what you do to a B16B the B18 will always have more power...

So your saying a built up B16B with Stage 3 cams the works wouldnt beat a stock B18?
 
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