B18C V B16B Comparison Video -Rolling Start


hmmm this has been discussed so many times, but when I did my conversion from b16b to b18cr it did have quite a significant difference. before the swap, I only just kept up with my mates rx8 type S, after the conversion, byebye rx8, much like in the video.
 
pretty sure timmi means when they have same headwork/mods etc the b18 will have more torque. if you read carefully it says torque not power btw. given the same mods, I would say the b18c would be always slightly quicker than a b16b, but hey who knows, Ive only done a straight conversion
 
i'll try and post a video of mine with only mods being exhaust, decat/apexi intake,

Comparing to a video of "Jimbos" clocks from this site, i find there is very little in how long they take to get though the gears..... Timing it from the video they look to me very similar....
 
jpar196 said:
pretty sure timmi means when they have same headwork/mods etc the b18 will have more torque. if you read carefully it says torque not power btw. given the same mods, I would say the b18c would be always slightly quicker than a b16b, but hey who knows, Ive only done a straight conversion
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I agree with you, same mods the B18 will have more power
 
in saying that if you wanna build an all out track machine, b16b will do the job just as good, being rev happy, longer rods meaning less stress, suitable headwork will make it just as potent on a track with the right gearsets.
 
jpar196 said:
in saying that if you wanna build an all out track machine, b16b will do the job just as good, being rev happy, longer rods meaning less stress, suitable headwork will make it just as potent on a track with the right gearsets.
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And this is also my point...

B18 is not a necessaty, B16B is a good engine and is powerful and is up for the job in most applications, Just the B18 is a bitter better due to 200cc....

Gee its the same principle as over on the starlets...

4E is more then good enough for the job, 5E is just a bit better.... They are not leagues apart, but you can feel the differences....
 
i think the b18c is a great engine.it has what the b16b lacks which is more punch before vtec.i had a 96 integra type r anditwould have smoked my civic!i just think the engine suits the driveability and characteristics of the civic better than the other swaps
 
This is why you B20 for less/same money and have more torque than both and same bhp figures lol
 
After driving my dads FD2 a fair bit i can imagine that the same K20 engine in an EK9 would be MAD. Although there is something about the B16B that i love, just keeping it on the boil is awesome :)

Would love a B18C engine but the B16B i have runs SO well and burns zero oil, so to find an equally good B18 would be quite hard :((
 
Gee said:
The B18C I went it seemed quite a bit faster than B16B, but I was in the passenger seat in the B18C and not driving, so not sure.

Djan,

Get together with JimBob, we can compare with him.

I'd be up for a mini meet.
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I defo up for this guy's!:nice:
Then maybe we could put this subject to bed once & for all! LOL
 
I'd be up for this too, but it won't be a really fare comparison really as JB's b18c is modded and our b16b's are stock..or is yours modded in anyway gee?
Either way it would still be good to hookup though.
 
Mine ant really mod'ed that much guy's!
It's only got the usual intake, Exhaust & a flywheel! nothing special!
Im defo up for meeting up with you guy, just have to wait for my stub axle & wheel back from compbreaks(should have it back within a week though):nice:
 
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D'janiero said:
I'd be up for this too, but it won't be a really fare comparison really as JB's b18c is modded and our b16b's are stock..or is yours modded in anyway gee?
Either way it would still be good to hookup though.
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let me take on jimbob:D i have exackly the same mods as him minus the flywheel and i have a 96 spec b18c unlike his 98:nice:
 
lol, that would be another good comparison to see dude. 98 spec b18c ek9 v 96 spec b18c ek9:D

How dyou find the b18c compared to your b16b rice?
 
the 98 spec DC2 has lower gear ratios, thats why it feels rapid through 1-2-3. the 98 spec DC2 feels very quick on the throttle.

but when I had runs with it, there's nothing in it, and i pull away if I just got on the throttle earlier.

So to answer questions, there isn't really much in it, But if you are racing up hill. then it will be more significant. (e.g. downhill my mates DC5 can not catch me, but uphill 3rd gear and he is gaining)

I agree that changing B16B to B18C isn't really worth it, might as well get the K20! or B20.

so Just drive the nuts of your EK9, it will make up for those 200cc
 
Tmus said:
the 98 spec DC2 has lower gear ratios, thats why it feels rapid through 1-2-3. the 98 spec DC2 feels very quick on the throttle.

but when I had runs with it, there's nothing in it, and i pull away if I just got on the throttle earlier.

So to answer questions, there isn't really much in it, But if you are racing up hill. then it will be more significant. (e.g. downhill my mates DC5 can not catch me, but uphill 3rd gear and he is gaining)

I agree that changing B16B to B18C isn't really worth it, might as well get the K20! or B20.

so Just drive the nuts of your EK9, it will make up for those 200cc
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As said this is the expereince i got too, not much init at all....

What are you mods mate?

I would love a go head to head with you in my car Jimbob! :D
 
I have exhaust, intake, flywheel, the usual

DC2 had Toda! and exhaust, intake and flywheel

same mods, that was before my remap..I think I am faster now but can't tell as DC2 is gone.
 
Another user asked me to post my experience since I still own all 3 of my cars.

The B16B is a great engine in its own class, technically it can rev very high and hard in high RPMs. Its great when you've got the car tuned and running 9500rpm redline with appropriate high octane fuel. The powerband is nice!

Heres the bad news....

It simply cannot compare to a B18C. The B18C does everything a B16B does but much better. The amount of torque it produces in real life(not paper) is much more and because of that, the powerband is damn smooth and powerful. It revs harder and faster than the B16B. The rush that the B16B is giving at 8600rpm is equivalent to when the B18C kicks VTEC in at 6000rpm. The power below VTEC is very addictive, feels like a heap load more BALLZ than the b16B.

Ok now, here the even more BAD NEWS...

My opinion/results were based on these 2 cars that I own and drive to the current day and setup.

E-EK9
B16B (230psi compression tested all 4 cyls) VERY HEALTHY!!!
TODA 4-2-1 ver2 header 2.5" collector (new)
high flow cat 2.5"
2.36" mid pipes
2.36" rear muffler
COMPTECH 3.5" Intake + ICEBOX
ACT 5.7kgs Flywheel
EXEDY HD clutch kit
SPOON driveshafts
SPOON ECU
SPOON high tension cables
SPOON twin blocks
Buddy Club condenser
4.785 Final Drive
TEIN Super street EDFC
Power Steering Pump REMOVED
RE001 tyres NEW

VS.

2001 AUDM stock standard DC2R (61,000kms odometer)(AUDM comes with 98spec gearbox)
SPOON filter
JDM 16" wheels (heavier than 15")
RE001 tyres NEW

Yeah I wonder how many B16 fans were surpised... The ITR basically has much more torque than a modded B16B. I know so many people who own DC2Rs and have all said theyve gained massive powers from bolt on cat back and full header and intake mods. The difference was huge and is something that I may not be able to experience myself on my DC2R because I maybe selling it...

Its with this car that I became very impressed with honda engines and couldnt believe the power it produced. i would say this comparison is very FAIR considering the outcome and the advantages of my modded ek9. Both engines are damn healthy and well looked after.

If some people who still dont agree that theres that much difference, then I suggest they find 2 mint conditioned DC2R and EK9 to test it out themselves. Testing a POOR motor with a GOOD one is just so damn wasteful...:mad:

Oh yeah, someone mentioned about K20 in an EK? Dude, you'd think its quicker but damn you have to sit in one with a JDM k20 to understand a TOTALLY different Experience!!! Its leagues ahead of a B18C.
 
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