100k mile ek9. .


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jfatboy said:
sorry mate if rwd was better then formula one would use it... and many other forms of motorsport, fwd was created because its cheaper...end of! obviously now with tricksy diffs and such they are better, but if u put mega power through fwd it wont take it, 4wd and rwd is always better.

it works on ek9's because its low power. and obviously yes i am joking, but still driven most of mates ones and its no diffrent really, its had a few bits done, but then most ek9's have been modded in some way.

remember im not doubting its ability, cars with more ability have depreciated more than ek9s and WHY? makes no sense. other than people just handing over dosh because its the norm.
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So it's only recent technology with "tricky diffs" that have made FWD cars decent? Do you believe an original Mini should be RWD? If I'm not mistaken, said Mini dominated Rallying due to being a small, nimble, lightweight FWD car. I'm not saying that FWD cars are better, far from it. But saying that RWD and AWD is always better is borderline retarded.
 
Just had a skim through this thread lol. First off, 100K is high but is also average for age of car. Just depends if cars been looked after properly. High quality oils used etc...

As for EK9s being overpriced I totally agree. Over 6K for a 10/11year old hatch is crazy. But people are still paying those prices so it makes it worth it. Also it's hard to compare an EK4 and EK9. The VTI was just a top spec UK civic with a high power 1.6 engine. The 9 was pretty much an all out racer. Driving them both is like night and day. The 9s engine is so much more raw in power delivery and pulls so much harder. Steering is a lot better although still flawed. Turns in harder and feel a lot more planted.

As for comparisons between a FWD Type R and a RWD turbo'd sports coupe u can't really compare. I think a stock 9 would feel more planted and usable on Track & possibly road than an S14, even when tuned. RWD is more tricky to use on the limit. A well set up FWD will feel ideal on the limit.
 
Wow, i cant believe how many people think that an ek4 and an ek9 drive the same! Personally my vti that had less miles didnt handle half as well as my nine did, and they both got the same amount of love in terms of maintenance!

Honda set out to make an ek that would far supersede what they had already manufactured (being the ek4) The end result was they made something alot more agile that would rev higher, corner faster, steer better, and brake quicker... the ek9!

Anyone who thinks an ek4 and ek9 drive the same, please answer me this. Why would Honda spend all that money and time researching and developing a car using world class professional drivers, if the end result was, as jfatboy states "no different really" all that effort just to get another ek4? One thing that will be immediatley apparent to any driver who has driven both, is the nines elimination of the fours horrid understeer, amongst a list of other things!

The ek9 is a piece of history, the first generation of the type R, so of course its going to hold its value. To many its one of the best cars honda ever produced, and anyone who has owned one will undoubtedly say they are worth every penny, considering the thrill you get from them... but i guess thats where owning one and knowing how far you can push them, is different to just having a go in one for 10 minutes. I think you have to own one to really understand the difference!

Jake buddy, congrats on the purchase, please look after her!
 
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Black9 said:
Just had a skim through this thread lol. First off, 100K is high but is also average for age of car. Just depends if cars been looked after properly. High quality oils used etc...

As for EK9s being overpriced I totally agree. Over 6K for a 10/11year old hatch is crazy. But people are still paying those prices so it makes it worth it. Also it's hard to compare an EK4 and EK9. The VTI was just a top spec UK civic with a high power 1.6 engine. The 9 was pretty much an all out racer. Driving them both is like night and day. The 9s engine is so much more raw in power delivery and pulls so much harder. Steering is a lot better although still flawed. Turns in harder and feel a lot more planted.

As for comparisons between a FWD Type R and a RWD turbo'd sports coupe u can't really compare. I think a stock 9 would feel more planted and usable on Track & possibly road than an S14, even when tuned. RWD is more tricky to use on the limit. A well set up FWD will feel ideal on the limit.
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Was my 9 that Jake bought, i only ever used 5/40 motul 300v, oem honda oil filters, iridium plugs, oem coolant, hamp brakes etc etc

Definatley a nine that will be around for a long while! :)
 
jfatboy said:
sorry mate if rwd was better then formula one would use it... and many other forms of motorsport, fwd was created because its cheaper...end of! obviously now with tricksy diffs and such they are better, but if u put mega power through fwd it wont take it, 4wd and rwd is always better.

it works on ek9's because its low power. and obviously yes i am joking, but still driven most of mates ones and its no diffrent really, its had a few bits done, but then most ek9's have been modded in some way.

remember im not doubting its ability, cars with more ability have depreciated more than ek9s and WHY? makes no sense. other than people just handing over dosh because its the norm.
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they cost quite a lot to get over here. You can buy a uk s14 for 5k but an jdm s15 would cost you about 10k and they are 12 years old. A lot of ek9's in japan are dirt cheep but by the time you have payed f.o.b fees, shipping, uk customs and taxes, registering ect ect and then you want to make a profit when you sell it (which by the way you would be a pretty **** business man if you sold for less than you bought) they end up costing a fair bit more than say other cars from that year.
 
In a straight line ek4 sir and ek9 are very similar ive seen sirs beat ek9s and ek9s beat sirs handling wise they are a leauge apart ive owned an ek9 and raced sirs and vtis and theres never much in it ive lost ive won theyre not miles apart to be fair its a shame ek9s werent faster out of the box they should have had a b18c from standard
 
This has drifted way off topic.
Thanks for all advice anyway,
I had decided on the car I wanted; an ek9.
I was happy with the price.
Just wanted people's opinion on the car in question, cheers :D
I don't want an ek4 or s14 so that's fine :)
I could buy a land rover for £6k that would off road better than the ek9, doesn't make it better for what I want. ;)
 
egcmikey said:
Wow, i cant believe how many people think that an ek4 and an ek9 drive the same! Personally my vti that had less miles didnt handle half as well as my nine did, and they both got the same amount of love in terms of maintenance!

Honda set out to make an ek that would far supersede what they had already manufactured (being the ek4) The end result was they made something alot more agile that would rev higher, corner faster, steer better, and brake quicker... the ek9!

Anyone who thinks an ek4 and ek9 drive the same, please answer me this. Why would Honda spend all that money and time researching and developing a car using world class professional drivers, if the end result was, as jfatboy states "no different really" all that effort just to get another ek4? One thing that will be immediatley apparent to any driver who has driven both, is the nines elimination of the fours horrid understeer, amongst a list of other things!

The ek9 is a piece of history, the first generation of the type R, so of course its going to hold its value. To many its one of the best cars honda ever produced, and anyone who has owned one will undoubtedly say they are worth every penny, considering the thrill you get from them... but i guess thats where owning one and knowing how far you can push them, is different to just having a go in one for 10 minutes. I think you have to own one to really understand the difference!

Jake buddy, congrats on the purchase, please look after her!
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well said that man, totally agree!
 
egcmikey said:
Anyone who thinks an ek4 and ek9 drive the same, please answer me this. Why would Honda spend all that money and time researching and developing a car using world class professional drivers, if the end result was, as jfatboy states "no different really" all that effort just to get another ek4? One thing that will be immediatley apparent to any driver who has driven both, is the nines elimination of the fours horrid understeer, amongst a list of other things!
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i've had more than a ten minute drive you div,
my ek4 actually doesn't understeer atall...so could be particular setup and tyres, mine oversteers just like any ek9 ive been in.
all companies spend whoring amounts of money on their cars, and you again go to me thinking i'm doubting its ability, i DO NOT think its a bad car...why else would i be here.

and if the ek9 is a peice of history, its a f*cking wank piece of history, battle of Trafalgar the american civil war, oh and honda made a pretty decent hot hatch in the late 90's.
The ek9 hasnt won any big historical races, most people dont even know what one is or the diffrence. so historically its massively insignificant although the people that know diffrent know what and how capable a car it is.

for the price of an ek9, you could get yourself a steal gear box and diff, a type r head, and some coileys and go just as fast if not faster.
 
jfatboy just loves a wind up.

EK4 v EK9 has been discussed many times. In a standard condition the EK9 is comfortably the better car.

EK9 has some "history" as it was a benchmark for high quality design with reliable high revving N/A engine. Yes its not famous but the people who do know what its all about get it. Hence the forum :D

Yes you can get more power and performance for you money elsewhere. But that isn't the only thing taken into consideration when buying a car. There are many cars faster than an EK9 but very few i'd rather have instead of mine.

Get an EK9 :nice: ... EK4's are sh!t :secret:
 
mld22 said:
jfatboy just loves a wind up.

EK4 v EK9 has been discussed many times. In a standard condition the EK9 is comfortably the better car.

EK9 has some "history" as it was a benchmark for high quality design with reliable high revving N/A engine. Yes its not famous but the people who do know what its all about get it. Hence the forum :D

Yes you can get more power and performance for you money elsewhere. But that isn't the only thing taken into consideration when buying a car. There are many cars faster than an EK9 but very few i'd rather have instead of mine.

Get an EK9 :nice: ... EK4's are sh!t :secret:
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:nice: agree martin :)

Chaps stop comparing dick size and either leave the forum or stay on here.
this is EK9.ORG So evidently and obviously if you say things like " there are better car's than an EK9 " you are simply asking for an argument.. I don't see the point in these conversations.

FYI a few years back i bought a Saab 9000 Aero. payed £1000 for it. It had a 2.3 litre turbo lump. This was tuned Very well so it ran near on 300 Hp and 500Nm tourque fully in at 2000Rpm... :bow: monster of an engine. It would rip you a new arsehole.. Piss all over anything from 50mph - 80Mph.
in fact 50 - 80 would take it under 3 seconds in 3rd gear... :wow:
It could hold 5 people comfortably and still do 160MPh... has climate conrtol leather recaro buckets that were heated and electronic in movement. even the rear seats were heated.

But i love my EK9 20Fold over the saab 9000. it just shows for little money the saab pissed all over the EK9. yeah handling wasn't amazing but so much power meant it didn't matter... what i am getting at is there will ALWAYS ALWAYS be a cheaper, faster, handle better, look better, more history, more this , more that car out there...

WHO CARE'S the fact we are talking on EK9 . org explains alot.. pretty damm specific forum, if civic's in general are your thing there are loads of sites, but this one is specific. No-one is here to prove their worth, no-one is here to prove their manlyness , surely its a collective respect for all things EK9. ?? am i wrong.
 
It's automotive history you bell, why you comparing it to a war... What manufacturer since has built anything like it.. each car hand built in a factory.

Look at AE86s and the premium they still fetch... Another 1.6 na engine but Ahh wait its Rwd so instantly better..

Straight trollin
 
TheSam said:
It's automotive history you bell, why you comparing it to a war...

Straight trollin
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whats rude about calling me a bell?

if u ask a car historian the great cars since its conception, i bet an specific honda civic wouldn't pop up.
civic in general maybe, as they are possibly the most modified car ever.

again i'm being accused of not liking them, I just don't see how they have held a the ridiculous value.

topher i'm not going anywhere ;) you should know my attitude by now :nice:

mld22...is massively right with the first thing he said ;) which is why i love it when i go fishing i always get a catch :p
 
Seems like the "internet" thing to do to blame trolling for things.
 
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