Who's happy with B16B power?


ae86 is absolutely rubbush to drive stock... very normal and nothing like what people think when watching initial D. However, with a bit of modding, it can be quite fun.
As to what you said before about eg and ek4 compared to the ek9... i agree that the price for a facelift is wuite hefty, but in terms of driving, the ek9 is definately in a different league. The wya it carries corners is like no other and this includes the dc2.
 
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ae86 is absolutely rubbush to drive stock... very normal and nothing like what people think when watching initial D. However, with a bit of modding, it can be quite fun.
As to what you said before about eg and ek4 compared to the ek9... i agree that the price for a facelift is wuite hefty, but in terms of driving, the ek9 is definately in a different league. The wya it carries corners is like no other and this includes the dc2.
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First of all, you think I want to buy an ae86 because of a cartoon???:mad:

I didn't even know what initial d was until about 6 months ago, and where the hell am I going to find a standard ae86? With a bit of modding they can be quite fun? EK9's are front wheel drive! How much fun can be had in a fwd? EK9's aren't fast enough for straight line speed fun, fair enough they are good on track, but I never get to tracks. All my friends drive s14's, s13's, evo's, ae86's and I have more fun being a passenger for 1 night in the silvia's and ae86's than a month of my ek9! I get into my ek9 wanting a rwd.

Ek9's are fine for people who live in citys/close to tracks but I live in the mountains of ireland with some of the best drifting areas you will find.

How are 86's rubbish to drive? Have you drove one?

Any my brothers dc2 will hold a corner every bit as well as my ek9:nice:
 
first off, i didnt direct the ae86 comment directly towards you.
i was merely just stating to people reading, that the car isnt what the cartoon states.
i have an uncle that has one (stock) and have driven it a fair few times since i have had a license.
The dc2 is definately a brilliant car, what i was implying was that the less powerful ek9 is more satisfying when driven right (cornering etc). comlimentary driving.(all imo)
As i always say, the ek9's best asset is not the straight line power, despite of its impressive figures, but balance.
i am not slating 4wd or rwd as my friends have the same cars.
i just wanted to say that the eg6 and ek4, despite being good cars, are not ek9 quality.
 
Just wondering, are ya'll not as apt to mod the internals or go boost as we are stateside? I'd rather build the internals of my B16A2 or boost it than swap an B18C5 or JDM B18C-R in. Too damn much money. Lets see, $4000-$4500 for a 200HP B18C or $2000 for a mild turbo setup on the B16A2 and tune for 250-300HP? Hmmmm. Actually I'm more of a fan of All Motor so I'd more likely build the motor to get similar power to an R motor.

Even with just a B16A2 swapped into an EJ6 with an Intake, exhaust, lightweight flywheel, and stage 1 clutch, I have plenty of fun. But when I get ready to build it for track use, unless I just stumble into a crapload of cash for a K20A swap and build, I'm keeping the B16A2 and building the piss out of it.

I say buy a 9 and build or boost the motor that's sitting in it unless you just so happen to have another motor laying around cause to me, the cost of a swap ain't worth it for such small power gains. That's why you find a lot of people in the US with turbo'd D16Y8's and D16Z6's (both SOHC VTEC) cause they are already there and a cheaper turbo setup will yield higher power gains than a more expensive swap.
 
Techy said:
Just wondering, are ya'll not as apt to mod the internals or go boost as we are stateside? I'd rather build the internals of my B16A2 or boost it than swap an B18C5 or JDM B18C-R in. Too damn much money. Lets see, $4000-$4500 for a 200HP B18C or $2000 for a mild turbo setup on the B16A2 and tune for 250-300HP? Hmmmm. Actually I'm more of a fan of All Motor so I'd more likely build the motor to get similar power to an R motor.

Even with just a B16A2 swapped into an EJ6 with an Intake, exhaust, lightweight flywheel, and stage 1 clutch, I have plenty of fun. But when I get ready to build it for track use, unless I just stumble into a crapload of cash for a K20A swap and build, I'm keeping the B16A2 and building the piss out of it.

I say buy a 9 and build or boost the motor that's sitting in it unless you just so happen to have another motor laying around cause to me, the cost of a swap ain't worth it for such small power gains. That's why you find a lot of people in the US with turbo'd D16Y8's and D16Z6's (both SOHC VTEC) cause they are already there and a cheaper turbo setup will yield higher power gains than a more expensive swap.
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You can get a b18 for a lot less than 4000-5000, just get a b18c crank, rods and p73 pistons, slap them in the b16b, dc2 ecu and away you go:nice:
 
yeah but you gotta have the B16B first which itself is $3300-3500.

But that was my whole point. He was talking about swapping in a B18C instead of modding the internals. If he gets an EK9 then he will have a B16B to do exactly what you said that which is way cheaper than swapping a whole B18C in.

Of course we also have what we call the Poor Man's Type-R motor (referring to the Integra). Take an Intgera GS-R B18C1 block and slap on a B16A2 head. Hondata a P28 ECU (or whatever ECU you can get) roll with it. That might be what I'd do if I could find JUST the B18C1 block for a good price and just use the head from my B16A2.
 
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Makes more sense for you to go EK9 mate and swap over your B18C and sell off the B16B. I'm sure you will notice the loss of torque and will probably be frustrating!

In relation to people comparing the EK4 to EK9. I think people really under estimate the difference that goes in to the chassis R&D.

People get boggled by straight line performance and power output. If an EK4 with B18C was put against an EK9 on track, do people think the EK4 will automatically faster around the track because it has a bigger discplacement engine and more power/torque?

No I don't, depends on the track.

The EK9 has superior suspension, chassis and brakes, it has a very good balance from factory overall. All of this translates into better cornering, braking and increased speeds that can be carried through the corners which equals a faster speed down the straights.

Bascially, I'd rather have an EK9 over a modded EK4 (to an extent). The EK4 will never be a Type R.

(And I'm not bashing EK4's)
 
when the B16b is on track and in the vtec it is awesome,,

all i have added to mine is a panel filter, Toda manifold and HKS decat and there isn`t much that can keep up with me on track,, car is not much different to my younger bro`s DC2.

When teh B16B is in teh Vtec its very strong indeed!!

gonna optimise mine with hondata S300 and a Willtune to make all my mods work better together,,

i would say keeep your B18 stored in teh garage, Drive your new 9 with the B16b for a while get used to it and then decide what you want to do in the future. That way you have teh best of both worlds and if you get hungry for more power you have it there ready to drop in....
 
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Be different and go for a black EK9!

Only cause im trying to sell mine for an S2000, but on the deciding side! i believe you will have more fun from the EK9 and the LSD! While it may not have the more BHP the lightness of the car, makes it a fun car to drive round the corners!
 
On the EK9>EK4 thing...

My EK4 already has a Quaife helical diff fitted, will shortly have the ASR 24mm rear sway bar and some DC2 Recaros along with suspension and brake upgrades. Would you still recommend an EK9 over swapping a B18C into my current car?
 
Well, the chassis is quite a lot better so I would try to get an EK9 for the better chassis and the hassle of not having to swap and build everything. You can always get a B18c block and put the 16b head on it.
 
olly ek9 said:
i would say keeep your B18 stored in teh garage, Drive your new 9 with the B16b for a while get used to it and then decide what you want to do in the future. That way you have teh best of both worlds and if you get hungry for more power you have it there ready to drop in....
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x2 :nice:
 
Depends on driver/how well serviced the cars are etc etc......

My EK9 pulls strong and i love it, feels very raw to drive which is great, i find it a lot easier to drive on the boil than my dads FD2, it's pretty wild and you really have to concentrate to stay in control, as brilliant as his car is i think the EK9 has more "feel" to it which i like

K20 is a fantastic engine, although after being in an EP3 it just feels a bit dull compared to the ek9, as much as i drive my car, it never fails to put a smile on my face :)

Oh and i don't like the driving position of the DC2, feels very cramped inside for me :((
 
The EK9 probably does edge it chassis-wise, id agree..longer wheelbase than the ITR gives it a "wheel in each corner" stability...

But the B18 is a stronger engine no doubt....essentially its a B16+200cc so its not going to be outdone anywhere...the EK9 probably shades it with kerbweight too though

Swings & roundabouts as you can see...

The K20 is a cracking engine for sure in terms of output, but i think it lacks the character of the B-series.

Go watch Gansang in the EK9 on Type-R legends if you need proof that the power "defecit" is no problem...

He manages to hold off both 96 & 98spec ITR's during a wet track battle:bow:
 
Gee said:
Makes more sense for you to go EK9 mate and swap over your B18C and sell off the B16B. I'm sure you will notice the loss of torque and will probably be frustrating!

The EK9 has superior suspension, chassis and brakes, it has a very good balance from factory overall. All of this translates into better cornering, braking and increased speeds that can be carried through the corners which equals a faster speed down the straights.
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Very good point and corners are more much more exciting than straight lines provinding you don't stuff it into the tyre wall.... :angry2:

olly ek9 said:
when the B16b is on track and in the vtec it is awesome,,

all i have added to mine is a panel filter, Toda manifold and HKS decat and there isn`t much that can keep up with me on track,, car is not much different to my younger bro`s DC2.

When teh B16B is in teh Vtec its very strong indeed!!

gonna optimise mine with hondata S300 and a Willtune to make all my mods work better together,,

i would say keeep your B18 stored in teh garage, Drive your new 9 with the B16b for a while get used to it and then decide what you want to do in the future. That way you have teh best of both worlds and if you get hungry for more power you have it there ready to drop in....
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WITHOUT A DOUBT THIS MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

Just been out in Matts EK9 4 up and it pulled very very well indeed....

We will have to see but i am determined to get a 9 now a bit of true JDM!

With all my bits on exhaust, breathing, ITR throttle body, coilovers and other suspension mods plus roll cage it will be a pretty mean toy...

If i need to B18C at a later date...

Why didn't i think of that....

Thanks Olly :nice:

stevenEK9 said:
"My EK9 pulls strong and i love it, feels very raw to drive which is great, i find it a lot easier to drive on the boil"

"as brilliant as his car is i think the EK9 has more "feel" to it which i like"
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Nail on the head mate!

I like exciting cars and bikes things that involve you so you feel apart of it and get a true buzz from the rawness.

chrismc_DC2 said:
But the B18 is a stronger engine no doubt....essentially its a B16+200cc so its not going to be outdone anywhere...the EK9 probably shades it with kerbweight too though

Go watch Gansang in the EK9 on Type-R legends if you need proof that the power "defecit" is no problem...

He manages to hold off both 96 & 98spec ITR's during a wet track battle:bow:
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I've have seen that video very very impressive...

And if i need to i can increase performance later on if i keep hold of my engine.

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ROLL ON EK9 :ek9:
 
Good choice mate :nice:

i spent a whole year test driving and reseaching ITRS, EK9S and EP3s, im not a fan of the drivers position in a ITR or EP3, An EK9 is just so raw and you can take corners at unbelievable speeds with decent rubber ;)
 
kaks_EK9Rx said:
Good choice mate :nice:

i spent a whole year test driving and reseaching ITRS, EK9S and EP3s, im not a fan of the drivers position in a ITR or EP3, An EK9 is just so raw and you can take corners at unbelievable speeds with decent rubber ;)
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Joint photoshoot???


I can feel it... :drive:
 
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