Turbo B16a V B18C Conversion - Opinions Needed


Thanks Will:cool:Can I just ask you though, how comes I can't use the b16b crank?
Cheers:nice:
 
Kinda realised the answer to my question before I asked lol. But thanks for clearing it up for me dude:)
 
if you go for Low boost B16B option then you can test it out, as thats what i am considering.

if 5psi is 250 bhp...thats plenty enough.

can the car still be driven daily commute? does it affect the initial Reliable of the engine ?
 
Tmus said:
if you go for Low boost B16B option then you can test it out, as thats what i am considering.

if 5psi is 250 bhp...thats plenty enough.

can the car still be driven daily commute? does it affect the initial Reliable of the engine ?
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I really don't think turbo'ing the stock b16b is an option for me dude. A few people said it can be done, but finding someone over here in the UK to tune the a b16b with a turbo to perfection is the main issue.(high compression plus turbo puts alot of tuners off)
Also, having owned a turbo car in the past, I know how addictive boost can be, and you always crave for more power.
So it makes sense to do it properly, and have an engine fully built, so atleast if you wanted more power at a later date, you would be able to do it reliably:nice:
 
just to clear everything up, you can get rods for the b16b from any of the major rod manufacturers or even get aluminum rods from Howard's, problem is its all custom and pricing starts at about $800 which is over double the cost of off the shelf eagle rods.
 
tuning a low boosted 11CR motor, is equivalent to a 15CR-16CR N/A motor, except harder. But with high octane fuel and super fine tuning, the results are amazing!

Think about factory boosted exotics. :nice:

If you don't have an ECU that can provide super fine tuning + GOOD tuner and have appropriate high octane fuel, then forget it... go for the 16a bottom + 16b head.
 
jugbugz said:
tuning a low boosted 11CR motor, is equivalent to a 15CR-16CR N/A motor, except harder. But with high octane fuel and super fine tuning, the results are amazing!

Think about factory boosted exotics. :nice:
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agreed, lotus exige in USA is 11:1 and supercharged!!
 
This thread is cool.

Sounds like it may be a hard move for me from a turbo charged car to N/A :(

Think I am going to really miss the torque and power if I sell. I would save for a K20 conversion, but I bet that still would not be enough for me and seems to be very expensive.

Going by some of the comments in relation to turbo charging, well you just can't beat the rush/torque/power they produce! If you have the funds for a PROPER fully forged etc engine then I guess it should be reliable?

Seems like turbo charged Civic's need a little TLC thou? Tuning turbo charged cars is easy, but they are a pain man. I want my next car to be trouble free, no pissing about, this is why I am considering all motor in the future..we'll see.

If it is reliability you are looking for, maybe something like a K20 would be good, but looking at the cost of all the parts and conversion, you could have a real nice turbo build for the cash I'd say. And will the K20 be enough? Will you want more power after a while?

Tuning is such a pain, but we love it!
 
Gee said:
This thread is cool.

Sounds like it may be a hard move for me from a turbo charged car to N/A :(

Think I am going to really miss the torque and power if I sell. I would save for a K20 conversion, but I bet that still would not be enough for me and seems to be very expensive.

Going by some of the comments in relation to turbo charging, well you just can't beat the rush/torque/power they produce! If you have the funds for a PROPER fully forged etc engine then I guess it should be reliable?

Seems like turbo charged Civic's need a little TLC thou? Tuning turbo charged cars is easy, but they are a pain man. I want my next car to be trouble free, no pissing about, this is why I am considering all motor in the future..we'll see.

If it is reliability you are looking for, maybe something like a K20 would be good, but looking at the cost of all the parts and conversion, you could have a real nice turbo build for the cash I'd say. And will the K20 be enough? Will you want more power after a while?

Tuning is such a pain, but we love it!
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built turbo car and built NA car are the same when it comes to reliability, don't forget that NA cars have to rev VERY high to make power and this shortens the life of the engine. Yes turbo hondas really do need some TLC But it is worth it, if you have any questions about how to build a reliable turbo honda and keep it liveable pm me, i have learned a good bit with my own car, perhaps you can avoid making some mistakes by learning from mine ;)
 
Hey,

I was not referring to a built N/A, unless you are reffering to a stock K20 as being built? I'm assuming you mean opening the block up and forging, porting etc etc?

I was comparing a K20 conversion (stock block) to a turbo charged conversion.

Maybe take you up on the offer and get some advice from you. But I don't even have an EK9 yet, so far off from deciding on what I may actually do with one :D
 
Gee said:
Hey,

I was not referring to a built N/A, unless you are reffering to a stock K20 as being built? I'm assuming you mean opening the block up and forging, porting etc etc?

I was comparing a K20 conversion (stock block) to a turbo charged conversion.

Maybe take you up on the offer and get some advice from you. But I don't even have an EK9 yet, so far off from deciding on what I may actually do with one :D
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yes a stock K20 with intake exhuast, header and tune should be more reliable than a turbo civic.
 
Gee said:
Cool, sorry if I was not clear before.
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No problem, realize this though, the only reason the K is more reliable is because it makes less power, with I/H/E and a tune you would have about 200whp, add some cams and your at about 220whp. A turbo kit with as little as 4psi will make that much power and be just as safe. What it comes down to is two things really in regards to longevity, RPM and POWER! The more power you make over stock the more stress the engine is under (turbo or na does not matter), and the more you rev the motor the more it is under stress. Cylinder pressure (boost) is not really a big deal, most engines can actually handle a high amount of cylinder pressure in stock form.

But in all honesty, If your going to turbo it you should save your money and just get a VTI :nice: that way with the money you save you can get a turbo kit and LSD.
 
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I hear what your saying.

What you have suggested does make sense, but a couple of the reasons I am thinking of getting another car is:

Want something a bit more modern. My car is a 96, but the build etc is nowhere near that of a Type R.

I also want a nice interior. The Type R interior is miles ahead of my grey budget dash :D My car is totally stripped of rear seats, carpet, tool, trim, even speakers and stereo.

And it is my daily drive!

My car is fast, but the chassis etc has had nowhere near the about of R&D a Type R has.

Getting a VTI would seem like a backwards step in a certain way, as the car would probably be around the same year as mine or even less? My car is a 96..

Doubt the interior and the modern feel would be any near an EK9 either? Then there is the rareity factor. I like to have cars that are a bit special and not very common.

The EK9 would then become my daily drive, don't have space for 2 cars :(
 
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the VTI i refer to is the 96 and up model, it was made the same years as the ek9 97-00 i believe, interior and chasey would be nearly identical, obviously you would not have reacro's or red carpet or rear sway bar but that can all be added, don't get me wrong, if you have the budget for an ek9 do it, if you go K20 you can always sell the b16b for a reasonable price, if you go turbo the b16b is kind of a lost cause as oem pistons are too high of compression to boost safely and nobody makes after market rods, with that said your only financially reasonable option (to boost the b16b) would be a thicker head gasket and a goal of no more than 300whp.
 
Well I should be able to easily make 5k if my current car is broken for parts. Even if it doesnt, got some cash a side I could use towards the EK.

I'll look into the VTI anyway thou, thanks.
 
Just seen the VTI you were referring to. Not too keen.

I like the look of SIR II's thou. But they are old, like 92.
 
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