Takata Harness help


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oifovo said:
Well, go and try to get that information from Takata then, I'd be very surprised if they told you. They will either confirm your harness is genuine or tell you it's a fake, but I seriously doubt they'll tell you why, especially when it comes to very good copies. I don't see a single reason why he should be trying to bad mouth another member, if you check taco's posts pretty much all he posts about are fake Takata harnesses, it would not surprise me one bit if he was in fact a Takata employee....
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That's very vague!

I have a theory... PM coming your way :)

Well that's not good. Do you know him well enough, to believe what he tells you? He hasn't been here long nor has he many posts, and like you said, all he posts about is Takatas.
 
oifovo said:
Can't agree with you on this one Logan - he also confirmed that a harness was genuine, he obviously has access to inside information on these and of course he can't tell. I'm struggling to understand how people don't understand why he's not telling, this is absolutely normal. We should be grateful that he warns people from buying what could potentially be a life threatening product, but it seems a few folk are in denial about the fact they've spent their hard earned cash on a fake harness that is only good for show. I'd be pissed off as well, but to "assume the harness is genuine" after somebody claimed it is a fake is silly. At the very least I'd contact Takata directly to double check.
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He says its fake, judging from my video. You can't even make out the component numbers. This 1501 number, that's claimed to be fake, is not on my harness, so that is why I assume its genuine.
 
LoganK said:
The solution to all is not to buy takata :lol: buy a good FIA approved harness for half the price OMP, Sabelt etc.. be safe and have extra cash :nice:

People only buy takata for JDM Points anyway
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True. Its not worth the stress, to own a Takata :p
 
So I have emailed Takata and with two version I have one is 1501 and 1510. Both were to be ''presumed'' fake if were not bought direct from Takata. I asked to get more info and all they did was rattled off some generic answer (as if the guy im sending them too hadnt a ****ing clue anyways of in depth distinctions) One set was bought from k2oef9 and another was from yahoo auctions japan. Both are identical. They offered to take my harnesses in as part exchange for a new model !! How convenient :D NOT!!

Also there is not a single ounce of evidence online of super copy harness before Taco came on the scene who wont even give his personal email. Seems to me, he is indeed part of scheme to get it out there to tarnish old JDM mph model takatas to help boost new sales in market over here.

Takata should really have a duty of care to design a harness which cannot be copied or at least has some unique online barcode system that can be verified on their site and registered to specific owners once bought. They should also have clear indications as to what models are 100% genuine for everyone to view to prevent possible fakes being made or passing hands in the second hand market. But obviously this system in place suits them, as it supports new sale of products and dont want people trading parts second hand leaving only alternative to pay over inflated prices for a new version each time.

There is something devious goign on with Takata I believe and I for one have been left with a bad taste in my mouth as its clear to see, all this is a money making racket. Prices are waay to expensive to begin with. OMP will do me once my own harnesses expire.

Also Taco id cut the **** now and bite the bullet before you end up getting banned. Your trying to tarnish a guys reputation who is well known and respected in the car scene. He can only go by what facts and resources are available to him and ourselves online. Not fair to single him out for Takata's possible negligence.
 
b18c civic said:
So I have emailed Takata and with two version I have one is 1501 and 1510. Both were to be ''presumed'' fake if were not bought direct from Takata. I asked to get more info and all they did was rattled off some generic answer (as if the guy im sending them too hadnt a ****ing clue anyways of in depth distinctions) One set was bought from k2oef9 and another was from yahoo auctions japan. Both are identical. They offered to take my harnesses in as part exchange for a new model !! How convenient :D NOT!!

Also there is not a single ounce of evidence online of super copy harness before Taco came on the scene who wont even give his personal email. Seems to me, he is indeed part of scheme to get it out there to tarnish old JDM mph model takatas to help boost new sales in market over here.

Takata should really have a duty of care to design a harness which cannot be copied or at least has some unique online barcode system that can be verified on their site and registered to specific owners once bought. They should also have clear indications as to what models are 100% genuine for everyone to view to prevent possible fakes being made or passing hands in the second hand market. But obviously this system in place suits them, as it supports new sale of products and dont want people trading parts second hand leaving only alternative to pay over inflated prices for a new version each time.

There is something devious goign on with Takata I believe and I for one have been left with a bad taste in my mouth as its clear to see, all this is a money making racket. Prices are waay to expensive to begin with. OMP will do me once my own harnesses expire.

Also Taco id cut the **** now and bite the bullet before you end up getting banned. Your trying to tarnish a guys reputation who is well known and respected in the car scene. He can only go by what facts and resources are available to him and ourselves online. Not fair to single him out for Takata's possible negligence.
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Just what I wanted to say :D
 
zPandamoniumZz: To be honest there is a good chance yours are fake, as there are probably more fakes around then there are genuine items. But instead of arguing on here, why not just simply ask takata? I can understand why you want to believe that they are genuine, but surly you would want to know for sure?



b18c civic said:
They should also have clear indications as to what models are 100% genuine for everyone to view to prevent possible fakes being made
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That makes absolute sense............. :wtf2:

b18c civic said:
There is something devious goign on with Takata I believe and I for one have been left with a bad taste in my mouth as its clear to see
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It's all a conspiracy!
 
This is good discussion!

I watched your video again, is it F1502 or F1503?
And there is the other number as F1510.
they have already done some update until today.

k20ef9 is well known and respected in the car scene,,, so it was easy to trick people.
I dont know why he had done it, it should be big risk for him.
I guess, he mightnt know it fake at first time. who is the seller to k20ef9?
 
OK, I'm not saying it is entirely impossible that Takata would want to boost their sales "over here" by trying to "tarnish" the old JDM MPH harness. But consider this - I don't have any data to back this up and it is my personal opinion, but I would imagine Takata will be selling a lot more harnesses in Japan than in the UK, after all perhaps Tegiwa might be able to give us an indication of how many Takata harnesses they sell. Also, Takata Europe, which is owned by Takata Japan, have recently (well over a year ago) acquired Schroth, so obviously they must be doing quite well and I doubt that they need this sort of "boost", especially considering the potential damage this would do to their reputation if it was to be true. And lastly - they obviously don't want any fakes out there as the damage is twofold - a chunk of people who are willing to spend money on the genuine item will be sold a fake, and also a lot of people who might otherwise consider Takata will not buy one because of the potential issues when it comes to selling the harness. For me I can say that I would not buy a second hand Takata and even if I was buying a new one I would only go to a big reputable dealer, not just "a guy from a forum" (no offense intended). The fact that Takata offer a discount on a replacement harness is again a pretty standard procedure, it is not their duty (however it is in their best interest) to help customers out as much as they can in telling which second hand harness is a fake and which is genuine.
 
I've never heard of these so called 'super copies', until after the new design was released. What a coincidence :D

taco, what about the video that explains the differences between real and fake? (Not the 6TWO1 video.) Does that happen to be fake as well?

Going on what b18c civic said, the harness sold by Anthony is the exact same as the one from Japan. EXACTLY THE SAME. So does Anthony still sell fake harnesses then, huh taco?

I don't know why you're still accusing Anthony of being a fraud. You also posted a warning, about another seller that's selling a harness that looks pretty much identical, and that just so happens to be fake aswell...

My guess is you, Mr. taco, are in on this 'conspiracy'. There's hints here and there that you are.
 
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does b18ccivic have any evidence from yahoo auction JPN for example selller's auction ID?
because f1501 and f1510 were both fake.
if it was true, fake factory might be in JPN.

then what is pandamo's number 1502 or 1503?
 
should calm down and think carefully.
conspiracy, this word sounds so sweet for you.
as the result, my comment could boost to sell new model instead of second hand.

b18ccivic seems never believe manufacture's comment.
there is no way to proving for him any more, except when he had met serious accident.

Now, valid year of super copy is limited 2017, because from 2018 has fia hologram.
in this couple years, someone bought from him valid year 2017 or before.
his price of new harness is cheaper than the others, but buyer might thought the reason was old stock.

lets go back to 2012.
He sold £250 per harness at 2012 in this forum.
http://www.ek9.org/forum/sale/45776-takata-racing-harness-group-buy.html
valid year 2017 means made in 2012, so there is no reason to discount.
Well, JPY to £ rate was almost 130, so £250 is JPY32500.
the lowest market price in jpn was around JPY34000.
where is shpping fee, tax, duty paid? that price doesnt make any sence.

Why i focus to him, he has sold too mach fake harness.
 
taco said:
does b18ccivic have any evidence from yahoo auction JPN for example selller's auction ID?
because f1501 and f1510 were both fake.
if it was true, fake factory might be in JPN.

then what is pandamo's number 1502 or 1503?
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Wow… So there's fake ones coming out of Japan, the origin of Takatas…

Seriously, taco. Cut the crap. You're just being ridiculous now. I've looked through all your posts. You've failed to post an introduction of yourself, so you haven't stated who you are, or what you do. Any kind of personal detail. Nothing. It would take a lot for someone to trust what you're saying, since you've just appeared out of nowhere.

Mine is F1503, with different numbers on each end.
 
taco said:
should calm down and think carefully.
conspiracy, this word sounds so sweet for you.
as the result, my comment could boost to sell new model instead of second hand.

b18ccivic seems never believe manufacture's comment.
there is no way to proving for him any more, except when he had met serious accident.

Now, valid year of super copy is limited 2017, because from 2018 has fia hologram.
in this couple years, someone bought from him valid year 2017 or before.
his price of new harness is cheaper than the others, but buyer might thought the reason was old stock.

lets go back to 2012.
He sold £250 per harness at 2012 in this forum.
http://www.ek9.org/forum/sale/45776-takata-racing-harness-group-buy.html
valid year 2017 means made in 2012, so there is no reason to discount.
Well, JPY to £ rate was almost 130, so £250 is JPY32500.
the lowest market price in jpn was around JPY34000.
where is shpping fee, tax, duty paid? that price doesnt make any sence.

Why i focus to him, he has sold too mach fake harness.
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Of course b18c civic won't believe Takata, since they conviniently will part exchange for his harness that he got in JAPAN.

By the way, what you're saying about prices doesn't affect me. I bought mine through private sale and was a fair bit more than that.

Its not just Anthony though, You've claimed other users have, or are selling fake harnesses (The old MPH ones.).
 
Should have bought another manufactures harnesses, just as good if not better than takatas and less likely to be fakes. Oh and cheaper.
Just JDM non-sense
 
jesse888 said:
Should have bought another manufactures harnesses, just as good if not better than takatas and less likely to be fakes. Oh and cheaper.
Just JDM non-sense
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Agree with you. Made a mistake getting into this Takata thing. Just accusations here and there that they're fake.

Will probably buy Willans, when my Takata expires.
 
It is a sad indictment on this world that fakes even exist, and we have to navigate through the crap to get to the good stuff. This whole thread just shows how careful you have to be about the provenance of items when purchasing them.

To minimise the risk there's no substitute for buying through the official channels (or direct if available). It might cost a bit more, but it's generally worth it for the greater assurance level, especially when it comes to safety items like this. Personally I'd never buy a harness from an individual that I didn't know and trust 100%, as it could literally be your life on the line.
 
Those ones sold by K20-ef9 are replicas and so are the other things he had forsale like the boost controllers.

Whether he knew if they were or not is another story but it sniffed of a scam from day one.
 
I dont know Irish habit, but hiding personal info at website is normal situation in Japan, sorry.

There is no evidence b18ccivic's made by takata factory.
Just bought from yahoo auction JPN he said.
Well, it is still doubtfull for me.

1051 has never changed as i already said here.
fake factory will change it after they saw here.
the other numbers are 100% fake, truth is truth.
Ah, valid year 2018 and 2019 with FIA hologram is safe at tne moment.

There are so dangerous so many super copy MPH model in EU.
anthony is very close to the origin.
It is difficult to find difference for general people.
If you felt something wrong, better to confirm TAKATA, and scrap it or refund from seller or go police, for your safety.
Then please get the other harness as takata new series, sparco, sabelt, willans, omp, schroth, raemco, simpson, anyway with reliable route is the most important.
There are also many chinese craps.

Pandamo, I feel so sorry for your brain.
You paid more than £250 for fake, and you do anything to protect him anyhow.
Generally, person who try to protect criminals, he should be one of the stakeholder, or just too fool.
If pandamo and b18c were the member of his criminal group, it is easy to understand.
 
hahaha this is hilarious. Taco your a gas man. So this super copy company who 'exist' obviously spent an extremely large capital to set up business and design the Harness to precise Micrometer's to the 'Original'. Use the same alloy in the buckle and clips, same torx screws. Use same material and stitching......

BUT at the end just pull a figure out of their arse for the two codes on the length adjusting straps.

Makes so sense at all. You would think (any gobshite would even think) if you were to invest in generating a super copy counterfeit company on such a global scale and building factories paying engineers to design the harness to exact same dimensions from particular materials...That they would have bought at least ONE ACTUAL Harness direct from Takata to begin with. I know from over the years the codes have changed back and fro from model to model so its all a bunch of ****.


Moral of story ....STAY away from Takata altogether.
 
Hello everyone, I am gas man. what type of gas? methane? please choice.

Yes, I feel their attention to detail with super copy as you say.
This copy cost time and money, it needs higher technology, casting tool, stamping die, webbing etc.
Well, it is possible even in china, but their quality is... just crap.
I thikn different points are meaning some "marking behavior" for theirselves.

Before scrap your copy, please try to have a strength test.
copy one should not reach to homologated strength.
it is easy to copy shape but copying strength is difficult because cost.
 
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