should I turbo??


689R said:
Also worth noting that the several thousand pounds it would cost to fully build an engine, you could blow up and replace many many b16a2's for the same cost.

After being out recently in a turbo ep3 id say yes, it was mega. I would budget abit more though maybe 3-3.5k
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i still think you would struggle to build a reliable turbo engine for that(250-300bhp) i allowed myself 7k and ive blown that out of the water.
 
I think stock engines are fine upto around the 300bhp mark providing the tune is spot on. Theres loads of people out there pushing around that with no problem including myself. I know what your getting at though... its one of those "i think it will be ok" with a stock engine compared to "i know its going to be ok" with a built engine. Still the proof is out there and like i said theres a load of people running low powered stock blocks without any issues.
 
simon_32 said:
Honda make N/A cars for a reason, getting the fuelling correct on a vtec motor is a bitch. I had a turbo'd d16 and stock internals, ended up cracking a pistons and melting rings. I've since spent a fortune rebuilding the motor, never again.
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:slap: you made me chuckle, you've just pulled that paragraph out of thin air :wtf:
 
V-TEC ABUSER said:
i still think you would struggle to build a reliable turbo engine for that(250-300bhp) i allowed myself 7k and ive blown that out of the water.
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But who cares if it only lasts a year or 6 months? If your engine blows its going to be several thousand pounds to replace, built engines arnt bulletproof.

Its pretty common thinking that a b18c4 can take 250-300 stock internals.

so say 3k for turbo parts alone, thats 4000 pounds for b18c4 replacement engines that probably about 8 different engines ha.

Not to mention the people that are running 400+ on stock b18c4s.

Id rather blow a 500 quid engine than a 4000 quid one.
 
Sounds sensible to me^^^^
As you say, with a crap tune, evan a built motir will go pop! People think because its built, its bullet proof.....
 
cfcDUFFYcfc said:
Hey guys,

After being out in my brothers scooby last week im thinking of getting a turbo for my civic but im unsure if this is a good idea or not,
I've been reading though the forced induction section of the forum but I still cant decide.

I would have a budget of £2000-£2500 and would like to make about 250-300 bhp from my b18c6, is this possible with this budget?.

and what turbo would be best suited to the b18c6?

The car will be my daily so wont run a lot of boost.

cheers guys
duffy
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Do you want a turbo cause you like turbo engines or do you want turbo for the speed? In the latter case you could also consider selling your B18c6, put some money on top and get yourself a K20 swap. More reliable and also _very_ fast.
 
_JT said:
Do you want a turbo cause you like turbo engines or do you want turbo for the speed? In the latter case you could also consider selling your B18c6, put some money on top and get yourself a K20 swap. More reliable and also _very_ fast.
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Still not comparable to the torque and driveability of boost i dont think. A K swap isnt exactly cheap option either
 
turbos are good, everyone told me not to build a b20/b16 n/a i did it properly and did 60000 miles on it with lots of abuse(remember the NSX Jimbo!!!), i then decided to turbo the same engine that shouldnt of been built and that has done 20000 on top of the 60k.

you need to read up so much on a turbo build cos if you miss one minor thing say goodbye to a very expensive engine.

i wouldnt set a budget! over the years i wreckon ive nearly hit £20000 in parts.
 
harvey j said:
turbos are good, everyone told me not to build a b20/b16 n/a i did it properly and did 60000 miles on it with lots of abuse(remember the NSX Jimbo!!!), i then decided to turbo the same engine that shouldnt of been built and that has done 20000 on top of the 60k.

you need to read up so much on a turbo build cos if you miss one minor thing say goodbye to a very expensive engine.

i wouldnt set a budget! over the years i wreckon ive nearly hit £20000 in parts.
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OH YES I remember the NSX :lol: let's just says the NSX driver was gutted :)) and that's when it was N/A ;)

The reason why 'harveyj' engine has lasted is the fact it has been built properly with attention to detail and no expense spared or corners cut!
You take away one of these factors and you have a recipe for disaster!
And trust me when I say this car has had ALOT of abuse :cool:

Get some videos up 'ballbag' I'm sure you will persuade the Op :)
 
Jimbo said:
The reason why 'harveyj' engine has lasted is the fact it has been built properly with attention to detail and no expense spared or corners cut!
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this is very much true. you have to know exactly what is about to go on in your engine. you can 'cut corners' not because something is too expensive, but because that something might be a bit overkill for your use.

and attention to detail, even in maintenance, will pay off dearly in the end. of course, just don't expect that everything that wasn't breaking before wouldn't break now that you introduced alot more power than before.
 
chicas said:
this is very much true. You have to know exactly what is about to go on in your engine. You can 'cut corners' not because something is too expensive, but because that something might be a bit overkill for your use.

And attention to detail, even in maintenance, will pay off dearly in the end. Of course, just don't expect that everything that wasn't breaking before wouldn't break now that you introduced alot more power than before.
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^^ace!
 
JDP said:
Still not comparable to the torque and driveability of boost i dont think.
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I would expect the driveability to be the same. In the low revs turbo B16/18 has less cc ánd lower compression for a turbo setup so I think a k20 would be better at driveability. Not saying the turbo is difficult to drive, probably will drive very good too. And no, the power isn't the same. On the other hand it is more reliable.
A K swap isnt exactly cheap option either
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Thats right, but from what I've read you can easily spend 6k on a turbo build. If you sell the B18 and add those 6k, you have 8k. That's a hell of a lot of money and you can easily do a K20 swap with it.

But both are not the same when it comes to feel and sensation. That is why I asked wether the topic starter has a preference for one or the other. Cause if he wants turbo cause he likes the way it drives then of course K20 is not an option :)
 
Sorry for not posting back guys been busy with work.
Great comments.
A real split in opinion LOL
I've always liked turbo cars but I'm addicted to vtec so to have both in one car would be immense.
However this is on the back burner just now.
But at the moment I have to find out why the engine has no compression.
Ah the joys :angry2:

Cheers
Duffy
 
well i can say in having a k20 and now a b16 turbo, id choose the turbo every time. dont get me wrong the k20 is awesome and nothing will ever beat that sound going into vtec cross over, but the combined pull, feeling and just power delivery of the turbo at every stage ive had it at (240bhp, 270bhp and now 324bhp) even at 240 it gave me a massive grin and a good bit of adrenaline... there is no comparrision. since being tuned to 324bhp where the turbo starts to spool at 3k rpm and delivers at 5k rpm which is when vtec kicks in it just slams u back in the seat, tells u to shut up and enjoy the ride.

either way you'll love going turbo, it isnt done overnight, its a lengthy process for both you and the engine to get used to the new pressure, but keep adding to it until everything is perfect and you'll have one awesome car.

good luck!
 
All this talk that you cant have a reliable turbo honda engine is unqualified. I put 33,500miles on my last turbo engine. Expected about 40k before the rings were too worn and that only got taken off road before of a van cutting across the front panel of it. I've put almost 3K on my 1.8 turbo build so far.
 
Why not do it for that budget and put it on a safe map on low psi?
Then when more money comes along upgrade internals?
 
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