ITG maxogen airbox


?? theres a lot better ones out there and looks like cheap stuff. I don't understand why would an air filter make a powerdip at vtec point providing that both runs using same ecu. looks dodgy... :/
 
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I have this air intake on my ek9 and i can tell you now its anything but cheap its a very high quality bit of kit that works very well indeed ,it also got better gains on my car than the mugen air box, both in power and lower intake temperatures and its also cheaper than the mugen as well ,also its carbon fibre the mugen is crappy glass fibre ,the itg maxogen is a great bit of kit
 
jugbugz said:
?? theres a lot better ones out there and looks like cheap stuff. I don't understand why would an air filter make a powerdip at vtec point providing that both runs using same ecu. looks dodgy... :/
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Does'nt matter what filter you run power always dips on the dyno chart before you go into vtec because its at that point where the ecu runs rich(Thus causing a momentery dip in power) so that when it does come into vtec the engine is safe and does not get starved of fuel causing det, LOL ,how many times you seen a dyno sheet for a B16A OR B16B
 
vtec said:
Does'nt matter what filter you run power always dips on the dyno chart before you go into vtec because its at that point where the ecu runs rich(Thus causing a momentery dip in power) so that when it does come into vtec the engine is safe and does not get starved of fuel causing det, LOL ,how many times you seen a dyno sheet for a B16A OR B16B
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Theres never a dip when vtec kicks in on STOCK ECU. The reason why it dips, is because of fuel mapping(unqualified tuners), kicking vtec too early which drops velocity on high cam and causes it to run rich, but this all can be corrected with TUNING... For example, it's like the VTEC killer cams, they make next to no power under the 6000rpm rev range because theres no velocity and makes it run very inefficient. After 6000rpm, theres efficiency, then power comes on.

I've seen many hondas having that dip and I don't think you didn't understood what I was refering to.

If you look at that dyno carefully, tell me why does it dip with the new air filter opposed to the stock air filter on the same ECU?? I said it's dodgy because of the dyno sheet and a replacement air filter never creates a big power dip, only ecu does that... Most likely, that dyno sheet is just for advertisement.

The setup on that intake looks okay, but theres better with the same amount of money. I don't like the MUGEN box anyway, if you say it's better than Mugen, then thats cool!:nice:
 
interesting this is, so the ITG box was good on your 9?

anywaz Jugbugz you mean other intake like AEM? for less money? what other ones are out there?
 
Dont be stupit man every dyno sheet i've ever seen for a stock b16a/b16b/b18c has a dip when vtec comes in by the way ive had all 3 engines and 2 ran stock ecus and 1 a spoon ecu all 3 had the dip when vtec comes in surely spoon havent got it wrong have they or will you argue with mr spoon as well lol :lol:
 
Tmus said:
interesting this is, so the ITG box was good on your 9?

anywaz Jugbugz you mean other intake like AEM? for less money? what other ones are out there?
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The ITG maxogen is very very good mate ive tryed many intakes and find this one to be the best by far ,intakes iv'e tryed previously include AEM v2, BCM CDA, J's racing intake,drop in hks filter with resonator modification,and the mugen intake ,the itg maxogen is by far the best ive had both on the dyno and for a good cold air intake on the road ,i dont like open cone intakes they take in to much HOT AIR for me LOL
 
cool, so how much gain would you say? or the dyno say you had?

I mean with intakes, I'm quite skeptical say like 5hp or so would make a difference. e.g. like in a drag with a stock version, will it ACTUALLY pull away?

gimme your thoughts guys.
 
Your not really gonna get much power or torque increase from any intake ,maybe a bit, but you do get a more direct flow of cold air to the engine and this helps plus most intakes look good as well as the stock air box doesnt look so good but it works well with a simple drop in panel filter
 
I had a ITG maxogen on my eg6 befor i got my 9 and i can tell you it is a sweet bit of kit and very well made!! I wish i had taken it off now and put it on my 9.
 
vtec said:
Dont be stupit man every dyno sheet i've ever seen for a stock b16a/b16b/b18c has a dip when vtec comes in by the way ive had all 3 engines and 2 ran stock ecus and 1 a spoon ecu all 3 had the dip when vtec comes in surely spoon havent got it wrong have they or will you argue with mr spoon as well lol :lol:
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That is very funny... I guess you've never really dyno'd or seen a stock Honda motor.:lol: I can tell you mine has got NO dip when vtec kicks in with STOCK ECU. However, if I kick it in below 6000rpm(stock) then there is a dip. I've got a SPOON ecu and J's RACING ecu, and they both have dips. Oh, SPOON had the biggest dip though.

If you also notice, even if there is a dip, once the power curve comes up it's making more then where the stock ecu is making because the air velocity increases earlier after high cam, SPOON and J's Racing did this because they don't fall below 6000rpm on the track... <---

forget it man, its just as much more with the mechanic combination than with ECU tuning, B16Bs combination makes it's power from 6000rpm. Study it a bit more, then you'll understand why theres a dip. :nice:
 
DONT insult me any more dude ive had my ek9 and other b series motored hondas on rolling roads numerous times im sure ive owned and modded more hondas than you over many years :thanks::blabla:
 
Anyway if you read back in the thread id didnt say it was a big dip
 
ITG Maxogen is an amazing peice of kit, everyone I know who has one has said how good it is in comparrison with other kits on the market. Hefty price tag though! Very well build and REAL gains! I wouldn't mind one for my Jordan!
All B-series engines have a dip in power when VTEC comes in, partly due to the ECU map switching over, over-fueling to make sure the egnine isn't lacking fuel for the higher cam set up, as has been stated previously, and some say it's a marketing ploy to help sell the car - the VTEC kick ;)
VTEC killer cams, as you'll probably know, eliminate the low cam profile so the engine is constantly running high cams. It produced more power, but idles like crap! I wouldn't use them on a daily driver, but on a track car they would be perfect!
And yeh, tuning is very important! Getting the fueling right and runnign a good map, but you'll never get rid of the dip in power - it's switching cam profiles, even though it takes a split second, the power will never be constant.
 
vtec said:
DONT insult me any more dude ive had my ek9 and other b series motored hondas on rolling roads numerous times im sure ive owned and modded more hondas than you over many years :thanks::blabla:
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sorry dude, I wasn't insulting you but you made some pretty sarcastic remarks. It doens't matter how many years, we are all here to learn and everyone learns something that didn't know, otherwise why are we here? lets forget it :nice:

If your getting dips on your power curve then you should try kicking vtec in higher in the rpm. For a 1.6L, optimum VE for high cams is above 6krpm. It's more about the combination of parts that you just can't help. I know many hondas have dips once you start to play with the vtec but stock ecu B16B does not have dips, not even slightly. If I'm wrong then I must be lucky to have one that doesn't dip. :D My Power FC with pretuned mapping doesn't give any dips either. Unless i decide to drop vtec lower without tuning then you don't even need a dyno to feel the power dip..
 
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