ek9 and vxr


a tuned ek4 keeping up with an sti ?? im sorry but i dont believe it . i was in an sti type-r and not a hope in hell a tuned ek9 would keep up on real roads not to mind an ek4 . they might not be the fastest cars but i think they define quick in a way :)
 
Well the only deciding factor is what you call real roads. I live on the isle of wight, our roads are narrow and twisty, so 300bhp is of little use.

I expect on an open road I would see the STI romp away a little quicker...
 
Kozy said:
Well the only deciding factor is what you call real roads. I live on the isle of wight, our roads are narrow and twisty, so 300bhp is of little use.

I expect on an open road I would see the STI romp away a little quicker...
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em evo's and impreza's are the fastest cars in the world on those kinds of roads , they have 4 wheel drive which gives them the edge in handling on any road . maybe it did happen but i'd say was a case of beating the driver and not the car .
 
Who knows, pointless guff anyway. It's a local joke here that Civics dick Imprezas ever since the owner of one paticular 300bhp WRX openly admitted on the local forum that he couldn't keep up with an EK9 in the corners.

I have chased a couple down on track and have been underwhelmed by their performance, but as you say you cannot tell how experienced the driver is so it is pointless to say that a Civic can beat an STI.

And as for 'edge in handling', hardly. Edge in grip maybe, but not in handling, not by a long shot.
 
civiclife said:
a tuned ek4 keeping up with an sti ?? im sorry but i dont believe it . i was in an sti type-r and not a hope in hell a tuned ek9 would keep up on real roads not to mind an ek4 . they might not be the fastest cars but i think they define quick in a way :)
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Sorry to dissagree but i own an import Sti along with my EG6 and they are nothing special. When it comes to handeling the EK9 takes the win AWD is not all that and even the scooby owners will admit to that as there is a masive post about scoobys v civics on the rs25 forum an most of the guys on ther that track scoobys will admit a light ass civic FWD with a sum decent power tuning can be just as much of a weapon any day of the week when it comes to actual cornering speeds.

Id agree out of the box the Scooby wins hands down on straights and dpendant on driver on most roads or tracks aswell. BUT to say a "tuned EK9 wouldnt have a hope in hell" well that my friend is bull.
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Id say a tuned EK9 would be easily be able to have an Sti Type R. :nice:

(p.s yes i know that it wouldnt take much extra tuning to the Sti to surpass it, but was jus not having the whole an STi will always be faster no matter how much tuning to an EK9) :nono:
 
KieranEG6 said:
Sorry to dissagree but i own an import Sti along with my EG6 and they are nothing special. When it comes to handeling the EK9 takes the win AWD is not all that and even the scooby owners will admit to that as there is a masive post about scoobys v civics on the rs25 forum an most of the guys on ther that track scoobys will admit a light ass civic FWD with a sum decent power tuning can be just as much of a weapon any day of the week when it comes to actual cornering speeds.

Id agree out of the box the Scooby wins hands down on straights and dpendant on driver on most roads or tracks aswell. BUT to say a "tuned EK9 wouldnt have a hope in hell" well that my friend is bull.
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Id say a tuned EK9 would be easily be able to have an Sti Type R. :nice:

(p.s yes i know that it wouldnt take much extra tuning to the Sti to surpass it, but was jus not having the whole an STi will always be faster no matter how much tuning to an EK9) :nono:
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do you own a type-r ? the one i was in really would hammer a tuned ek9 , but saying that the type-r version isnt like a normal sti . ek9 will do well on a track of course but i meant real roads like . ( by tuned i meant basic like exhaust , intake etc ... )
 
this is turning into another fairly pointless thread to be fair, we all know how good an ek9 is on the twisties and we all know (or should) that for straight line speed a 300bhp impreza or evo and might i add a standard corsa vxr would pull on a 9. Ive owned tuned ek4's and a standard fiesta st that pulled on my mates ek9, and i know for a fact that my corsa vxr would eat both my civics and my old st for dinner. Theres no point in arguing about it to be honest, in standard form to summarise the thread a vxr will be slightly quicker than an ek9.. fact.
 
Chandlerek4 said:
this is turning into another fairly pointless thread to be fair, we all know how good an ek9 is on the twisties and we all know (or should) that for straight line speed a 300bhp impreza or evo and might i add a standard corsa vxr would pull on a 9. Ive owned tuned ek4's and a standard fiesta st that pulled on my mates ek9, and i know for a fact that my corsa vxr would eat both my civics and my old st for dinner. Theres no point in arguing about it to be honest, in standard form to summarise the thread a vxr will be slightly quicker than an ek9.. fact.
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I can safely say I'll completley disagree with your post, buy hay ho, each to their own.
 
Which bit do you disagree with Dan? The bit about 300hp scooby's being able to beat a standard EK9 in a straight line on the fact he said a corsa VXR is quicker than an EK9? orrr do you disagree with all of it lol

In MY personal experiences he is correct. When i had my fully stripped out tuned EG SiR ChandlerEK4 had a corsa VXR. Now, my EG would beat any EK9 and DC2 it came across everytime no matter what speed we were doing so it's fair to say My EG was quick. 14.5 1/4 mile quick with budget tyres and 2.4 60fts!

Now...me and ChandlerEK4 had sooooo many races from standing starts to rolling starts and everytime my EG would only just nip it. It was really close everytime. He ran the same day i ran and got a best 15 on the 1/4 mile. I don't think i've ever seen a STANDARD EK9 do a 15 or less..

So what i'm saying is...i don't think a standard EK9 would beat a VXR but thats only in my personal experience. But i know that i can drive and chandler can drive so the races were fair..but on paper an EK9 is faster to 60 so who knows lol. Race conditions are always different :)

But i don't wanna start another rant haha or there will be another thread made moaning about me :) i was just giving my experiences. But i never raced the VXR in an EK9 so i'll just shut up :)
 
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I have mixed opinions.

Start off with when my car (ek4 vti) had b16a2 - bolt ons & suspension - raced standard corsa VXR (blue one) it was on some twisties and some long straights:

Corsa had a little edge on straights but i wouldnt say i didnt keep up with him and on twisties there was nothing in it - the cars seemed very evenly matched.



When my car had b18c6 i raced the same guy but he had now bought an Arctic white one ( i know these have a little bit more power).

Straight line race - I beat him but it wasnt a spanking - it definately done well against my civic.

Funniest bit about it was he didnt know about my engine connversion - we stopped to chat and told him about it and he was laughing saying he went out and bought it and hoped to beat me !



As far as evo's n scoobys - i raced a 04 plate WRX (dont know if it was an sti) and spanked it when i had my B18C.

Two of my mates have Imported EVO 4's (both made around 275bhp on the dyno) raced them and it was very even between my civic with B18C and them - definately faster from the word go though then it was all up to the driving to catch up - from a roll there wasnt much in it !


IMO - its all down to 3 things, power to weight ratio, the driver and whos got the biggest wallet.
 
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as for straight line speed beat 2 vxr corsas at crail in my old 9 with just bolt on's, and another on back roads in my current 9 plus my mate done the same at crail with his 9, couldnt just be down to drivers imo.
 
JDMarron said:
Which bit do you disagree with Dan? The bit about 300hp scooby's being able to beat a standard EK9 in a straight line on the fact he said a corsa VXR is quicker than an EK9? orrr do you disagree with all of it lol

In MY personal experiences he is correct. When i had my fully stripped out tuned EG SiR ChandlerEK4 had a corsa VXR. Now, my EG would beat any EK9 and DC2 it came across everytime no matter what speed we were doing so it's fair to say My EG was quick. 14.5 1/4 mile quick with budget tyres and 2.4 60fts!

Now...me and ChandlerEK4 had sooooo many races from standing starts to rolling starts and everytime my EG would only just nip it. It was really close everytime. He ran the same day i ran and got a best 15 on the 1/4 mile. I don't think i've ever seen a STANDARD EK9 do a 15 or less..

So what i'm saying is...i don't think a standard EK9 would beat a VXR but thats only in my personal experience. But i know that i can drive and chandler can drive so the races were fair..but on paper an EK9 is faster to 60 so who knows lol. Race conditions are always different :)

But i don't wanna start another rant haha or there will be another thread made moaning about me :) i was just giving my experiences. But i never raced the VXR in an EK9 so i'll just shut up :)
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No no lol,

I should have been more specific.

I agree with the 300BHP subaru, that does beat a stock EK9 by alot on the straights! However, my EK9 with stock B16B with shitty open air shorty ram filter/ full interior only mod was a decat and i was pretty even with the VXR corsas. I'll add i managed 15.2 with that set up, and was getting better by the run but had to go.

As for the fiesta ST's, well they weigh 1130KG with a measly 150BHP.(power to weight is alot less then an EK9. My friend has one of these(now supercharged) but when it was stock i had my wicked way with it. My EK9 was alot quicker to be fair. At no point was he remotely even.

The thing is ive been drag racing most weekends now for the best part of 3 years up at a location(wont say) but there are hundreds of cars that meet up all kinds and we all have a play. So when it comes to straight line runs i can say ive pretty much raced every reasonably popular car you can thing of, with different power out puts/drivers etc. Both in my starlet and EK9 but the starlet wasnt a good guide as it would obliterate anything in its path. The EK9 is still fast, but a sane speed so can get a good gist of other cars.

My EK9 now is of a similar speed to subaru STI's etc, WRX's are no problem, VXR Astras are no problem etc etc. Makes sense if you think i can hit 101MPH in 13.7 seconds(and that was when i had more interior lol) and 0-60MPH in 5.1 seconds with a fair amount of spin. Not really surprising imo. Funny though.

Everyone has their own experiences at the end of the day, but i have a mountain of experience when it comes to straight line runs against other cars.
 
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EK9dan said:
No no lol,

I should have been more specific.

I agree with the 300BHP subaru, that does beat a stock EK9 by alot on the straights! However, my EK9 with stock B16B with shitty open air shorty ram filter/ full interior only mod was a decat and i was pretty even with the VXR corsas. I'll add i managed 15.2 with that set up, and was getting better by the run but had to go.

As for the fiesta ST's, well they weigh 1130KG with a measly 150BHP.(power to weight is alot less then an EK9. My friend has one of these(now supercharged) but when it was stock i had my wicked way with it. My EK9 was alot quicker to be fair. At no point was he remotely even.

The thing is ive been drag racing most weekends now for the best part of 3 years up at a location(wont say) but there are hundreds of cars that meet up all kinds and we all have a play. So when it comes to straight line runs i can say ive pretty much raced every reasonably popular car you can thing of, with different power out puts/drivers etc. Both in my starlet and EK9 but the starlet wasnt a good guide as it would obliterate anything in its path. The EK9 is still fast, but a sane speed so can get a good gist of other cars.

My EK9 now is of a similar speed to subaru STI's etc, WRX's are no problem, VXR Astras are no problem etc etc. Makes sense if you think i can hit 101MPH in 13.7 seconds(and that was when i had more interior lol) and 0-60MPH in 5.1 seconds with a fair amount of spin. Not really surprising imo. Funny though.

Everyone has their own experiences at the end of the day, but i have a mountain of experience when it comes to straight line runs against other cars.
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Well our car's are pretty even cos i do 13.7 at 100MPH (the wind must have been going your way with the 101 terminal haha and my 13.7 was my second ever run in the car so a lot more to come from it) so i know exactly what kind of cars you can beat cos i beat the same! but i still think a standard VXR vs a standard EK9 will be totally even. You say you got a 15.2 in your Ek9 where as Chandlerek4 got a 15 flat in his VXR and he only done like 2 runs and his first ever time down a drag strip.

I guess it's hard to judge. Which is why i hate these threads..which is why i started my own bull**** thread about that micra which people think is legit haha
 
JDMarron said:
Well our car's are pretty even cos i do 13.7 at 100MPH (the wind must have been going your way with the 101 terminal haha and my 13.7 was my second ever run in the car so a lot more to come from it) so i know exactly what kind of cars you can beat cos i beat the same! but i still think a standard VXR vs a standard EK9 will be totally even. You say you got a 15.2 in your Ek9 where as Chandlerek4 got a 15 flat in his VXR and he only done like 2 runs and his first ever time down a drag strip.

I guess it's hard to judge. Which is why i hate these threads..which is why i started my own bull**** thread about that micra which people think is legit haha
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lol! I see what your saying mate.

I agree with you, i also think a corsa VXR would be very very close with an EK9, as mine was too when i raced them. BUT on the dyno dynamics i made 168BHP on my B16B, If it was running 185 factory figure, then it would be a different story but unfortunately B16B's over here dont make that power, Or its extremely rare. All the B16bs on the day of the RR meet all made between 165-172BHP. So its evident they are down on power unlike the VXR's. So is it a fair test?

Ahhh it doesnt really matter anyway does it :lol: This thread has gone mad haha

Oh and a very big LOL @ your thread, people really do think its legit hahahaha!
 
EK9dan said:
lol! I see what your saying mate.

I agree with you, i also think a corsa VXR would be very very close with an EK9, as mine was too when i raced them. BUT on the dyno dynamics i made 168BHP on my B16B, If it was running 185 factory figure, then it would be a different story but unfortunately B16B's over here dont make that power, Or its extremely rare. All the B16bs on the day of the RR meet all made between 165-172BHP. So its evident they are down on power unlike the VXR's. So is it a fair test?

Ahhh it doesnt really matter anyway does it :lol: This thread has gone mad haha

Oh and a very big LOL @ your thread, people really do think its legit hahahaha!
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EXACTLY my point dan! thank you for bringing that fact up! It's all well and good working out power to weight figures etc but we all know a B16b doesnt make anywhere near the 185 claimed in this country Which is why it's even more apparent that the VXR's are a very close match to an EK9 if not quicker with a decent driver in my eyes.

Just pray you don't come up againt an N/A 1.0 Micra Dan :)
 
whether or not you have 'beaten' a car depends on what speed you race it too imo.

QM is not a great judge of a cars ability minus trap speed, as driver skill can come in to it.

the best judge of two cars speed is IMO a 40-120 or 60-140 rolling start race.

Barryl85 said:
whos got the biggest wallet.
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so true lol :(
 
689R said:
whether or not you have 'beaten' a car depends on what speed you race it too imo.

QM is not a great judge of a cars ability minus trap speed, as driver skill can come in to it.

the best judge of two cars speed is IMO a 40-120 or 60-140 rolling start race.
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Thats very true and has been my view since i started. The location where we go can get to around 125MPH in the EK9(about 140MPH in the starlet) before having to brake safely so very good judge of acceleration + mid range. Mostly rolling starts too.
 
I can't comment on a EK9 vrs the Sti saloon but I did however own the Type R model impreza, fair enough it had a farely big spec but even in standard form I can't see a b18 EK9 keeping up with one. The type r model has a curb weight of 1260kg and a short ratio gearbox. Even in stock form these do 0-60 under 5 seconds. And as for handling I found it just as good as my EK9, it will slide abit if your pushing it hard but easy enough to counteract it with the short ratio steering rack. If we are all honest Honda's lack torque big time which becomes very evident when you drive a turbo car.
 
There are so many versions of subaru its crazy.

They seem to average between 185-220BHP per tonne. But obviously they will be loosing more @ the wheels due to the transmission as appose to a FWD car.

The one you say "type R model" has 222bhp per tonne. You'd be very surprised. They always are hehe.
 
Yes but stock torque figure of the sti impreza is 343 N.m A EK9 B16B engine out of factory makes 160 N·m so with the curb weight of a sti type r(1260kg) it will be putting out 272N.M per tonne correct? A EK9 is meant to be 1090kg so that would be mean a EK9 would be putting out 146N.m per tonne? So even if I was to allow 30% transmission loss the subaru would still be making 190.4 N.m which is more than the EK9 with no transmission loss applied. Now you can calculate that for a b18c ek9 and it will probably still not measure up with the torque figure and in real life its good torque output which makes a car accelerate fast not bhp.
 
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