b16a potential


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daveallen180

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what kind of bhp and tourque can u get out of the standard ek9 type r with out turboing it... As in new cams,mani,de cat, exhaust and a good induction kit... Can u get 190 or 200bhp. Anyone done this and know what power there getting and what it took
 
I think we have a few users making around 212bhp with standard b16b internals. I think more is possible but not more than 220bhp.
 
Should this not be titled B16b potential?!

Just out of curiousity, what kind of potential do you think the B16a can yield, same question, I would expect you could probably get 210bhp max out of it if you spend enough money?
 
Joshm88 said:
Should this not be titled B16b potential?!

Just out of curiousity, what kind of potential do you think the B16a can yield, same question, I would expect you could probably get 210bhp max out of it if you spend enough money?
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Well money being no object i can see someone building a 9500+rpm b16 that makes 270bhp with an insane amount of port work, 15+ compression and huge cams but thats no where near realistic and that same combo on a 2.0 B series would probably yield 350bhp!

The question at hand is too open ended, i guess we need to know, with what budget and for what use, for street use on a normal budget as said about 210-220bhp is the limit for a 1.6 na.
 
Yeh I thought as much. It was just something off the top of my head to be honest caused by browsing this thread! I just meant something on a normal budget, perhaps mild head porting, maybe even ITBs.......but like you say, it all depends on budget and reliability.
 
A friend of mine has an EF with a b16a producing 235hp. He has rebuilt and polished the engine internals along with new racing cams, pistons, and connecting rods. And intake and exhaust systems aswell. All for around 6k
 
ya I won't have a huge budget and don't want a turbo...all motor baby haha so its kinda pointless putting an itr b18 into a civic cos here there only making 200 to 220 even tho they could do alot more I'll be happy with 200 from a b16
 
simplest way to look at it is to study real race cars with the same engine, gives idea of cost involved and what can be achieved realistically
 
180'ish lbft torque (engine equivalent), without touching anything in your car except the transmission ;)

Nothing, short of going Turbo (or the Mugen RR Advanced Concept K24A), will give you this sort of torque.

However, if you do other modifications at the same time as the transmission, then power can get higher. Don't underestimate the power of torque multiplication ;)

In summary, what I am trying to say is, if you are happy with circa 200bhp from your B16A, don't bother with the engine. You can make your car faster for cheaper.
 
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so what are u sujesting...new trannie or what else???

tourque is what im after

bhp sells cars, tourque wins races!!!!!!!!!!:)
 
is just the thread I needed to read, I am seriously thinking about giving more to my hp b16a, good day to all ..... I will work to increase my budget jejeje
 
to give you an idea what kind parts and work would be involved here is a spec of a b16 of a guy i know that had 210bhp and 145 ft lbs of torque, it also had was on the standard final drive and gears

full engine spec-
ctr b16b head
b16a bottom block
buddyclub spec 6 cams
buddyclub flat top valves
buddyclub head gasket
toda dual valve springs
buddyclub retainers
toda 81mm pistons
toda timing belt
toda cam gears
seeker exhaust system
seeker header 4-2-1
j's induction kit
seeker engine damper
de cat pipe
440cc injectors
255 walbro pump
apexi power fc
cusco coilovers
cusco 1.5way diff
orc 309d clutch.
 
wow, I bet that lot costs far more than a Gear Set + Final Drive, and makes 40lbft of torque less to boot ;)
 
Around 900bhp (flywheel) and 250-270lbft. For an NA 3.0l engine, this is the highest torque output you will find. The reason for the high bhp figure is because of the high rpm.

And when a car weighs around 1400lb (with driver), it doesn't take much torque to accelerate these things.

So yeah, bhp is for max mph (or bragging rights), torque is what matters for acceleration ;)
 
Yeh I agree with Mfactory's suggestion simply because not many good engine builders and TUNERs around that can actually put justice to the cost of parts you get.

You can splash a load of cash on some full-on toda or jun race parts and might end up what you expect.

You wont go wrong with gearbox mods since any PRO tranny shop can do it.
 
MFactory said:
makes 40lbft of torque less to boot ;)
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that's were a final drive and gears would come into play:D

any Honda tuner/mod'er i know says transmission mods is were it's at on B-series engines/transmissions, there the ''best bang for your buck''
 
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MFactory I know tq is important, i just hate one line statements like that. Especially since hp is a function of tq.
 
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