A few problems! :(


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The last while I have been having a few problems with the 9! :angry:

1st. Big clunking noises at the back but that has been diagnosed as worn rear camber arm rose bushes so I have ordered new ones but been waiting 2 weeks on them now from Accessory Zone!:angry:

2nd. when going throo the gears with my foot to the floor I am getting alot of vibrations in the low revs, once it gets above 4k its fine and cruising in 5th is fine! any ideas?

3rd. idle issue. the revs occassionally drop to the point of where it might cut out but ok whens it warm. But when it is warm the revs sit perfect just above 1k but the engine still sounds like its gona cut out, like a dronin sound, sounds like a scooby sometimes! Could this be the main relay? no oil consumtion and still pulls hard as ****!!

4th. squeeking belt when on idle. Would this be the alternator belt? can I change this on its own?

Sad times! :(
 
The last while I have been having a few problems with the 9! :angry:

1st. Big clunking noises at the back but that has been diagnosed as worn rear camber arm rose bushes so I have ordered new ones but been waiting 2 weeks on them now from Accessory Zone!:angry:

2nd. when going throo the gears with my foot to the floor I am getting alot of vibrations in the low revs, once it gets above 4k its fine and cruising in 5th is fine! any ideas? What engine mounts do you have?

3rd. idle issue. the revs occassionally drop to the point of where it might cut out but ok whens it warm. But when it is warm the revs sit perfect just above 1k but the engine still sounds like its gona cut out, like a dronin sound, sounds like a scooby sometimes! Could this be the main relay? no oil consumtion and still pulls hard as ****!!Tried cleaning the IACV? When was last time you changed spark plugs?

4th. squeeking belt when on idle. Would this be the alternator belt? can I change this on its own?More than likely

Sad times! :(

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4. Each belt can be changed individually...albeit you may have to take some other belts (if you have them) off to get to it but with all the hassle you may as well change all belts (obvs apart from the timing belt as that's a bit harder to get to - unless you want to).

3. I was going to say spark plugs and maybe leads?

2. Engine mounts...or maybe clutch

1. Try and contact them to see where they are

:nice:

F*** knows why I answered them backwards :S
 
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Before I start - not all of this is gonna sound good !

2nd. when going throo the gears with my foot to the floor I am getting alot of vibrations in the low revs, once it gets above 4k its fine and cruising in 5th is fine! any ideas?

This could be engine mount problems or related to your 3rd issue.

3rd. idle issue. the revs occassionally drop to the point of where it might cut out but ok whens it warm. But when it is warm the revs sit perfect just above 1k but the engine still sounds like its gona cut out, like a dronin sound, sounds like a scooby sometimes! Could this be the main relay? no oil consumtion and still pulls hard as ****!!

Definately sounds like it could be one or two different things

1. Spark issue - Spark Plugs / HT Leads / Dizzy

2. Bent valve (get a compression test done) have you over revved at all?

4th. squeeking belt when on idle. Would this be the alternator belt? can I change this on its own?

Could be its either going to be a belt or a pulley (more likely a belt)

Timing belt wont squeek (although recently a few have had issues with over tightened cam belts) - so alternator most likely or power steering.

Sad times! :(

Chin up - you will get it sorted out
 
sorry for the late replies guys, been heavy busy! Thanks for all the advice!:))

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thanks vtec6000!

What engine mounts do you have? innovative 60A mounts - been on for 15k miles and 14 months.

Tried cleaning the IACV? yea it was last cleaned on 2/7/10 which was 6k miles ago.

When was last time you changed spark plugs? last changed them 1.5years ago, 16k miles ago. using NGK ones. NGK leads also

think I will just change my alternator and power steering belts and hope its one of them!


4. Each belt can be changed individually...albeit you may have to take some other belts (if you have them) off to get to it but with all the hassle you may as well change all belts (obvs apart from the timing belt as that's a bit harder to get to - unless you want to).

3. I was going to say spark plugs and maybe leads?

2. Engine mounts...or maybe clutch

1. Try and contact them to see where they are

:nice:

F*** knows why I answered them backwards :S

Thanks mate! yea gona change all belts apart from timing belt and hope th squeek is gone after that! spark plug info above. leads were changed only 6k miles ago.

Yea I was maybe thinkin engine mounts too, gona have a look at them on my mates ramp and see if they are loose or worn! :( clutch has been on for 1.5years, 16k miles ago. its a spec stage 2 clutch I got from mfactory so its pretty heavy duty so I rekon thats fine. It does squeek loud also on mid lift but is that the input shaft bearing? I replaced all gearbox bearings when clutch was fitted at same time as 4.9 FD so hope its not any of that. I use Torco MTF.

lol at answering backwards! :))

Before I start - not all of this is gonna sound good !



This could be engine mount problems or related to your 3rd issue.



Definately sounds like it could be one or two different things

1. Spark issue - Spark Plugs / HT Leads / Dizzy

2. Bent valve (get a compression test done) have you over revved at all?



Could be its either going to be a belt or a pulley (more likely a belt)

Timing belt wont squeek (although recently a few have had issues with over tightened cam belts) - so alternator most likely or power steering.



Chin up - you will get it sorted out

Thanks Barry! Yea it dont sound too good what you have said! lol :(

leads and spark plug info above but gona check them all over. dizzy cap and rotor arm got changed 9k miles ago on 15/7/10.

coil pack got changed at same time as timing belt, tensioner and water pump 30k miles ago which was just over 2 years ago.

gona get a compression test done at my mates also but hope it aint that. like said nae oil consumption and nae smoke or reek in or out of vtec.

compression test was last done by Henry Roy 6k miles ago when he re-mapped the car. compression was 225 on all 4 cylinders. so healthy. it made 206.2bhp on a P30 using crome. tapets were adjusted and new induction kit was fitted with cold air feed too.
vtec comes in at 5.2k and rev limit is set at 9.2k but only took it to 9k twice!

Oil is changed every 3k miles using hamp filter and millers fully synthtic 5w 40. getting another oil, filter, grearbox oil change when camber arms and HEL brake lines arrive. Changing front and rear discs too, all 4 ARB D bushes are being replaced, new mfactory magnetic drain bolts, re-building all calipers and bleeding all the brake fluid and replacing it with millers dot 4 fluid. I will get my mate to clean IACV and replace spark plugs and check it all over and hopefully its nothing too serious! gona balance all 4 wheels too and see if its that then its going for a full set up at CLCM! :)

Thanks again for all your help! Incase you are all wondering why I know exactly when everything was fitted is because I like to keep an accurate log of everything done to the car! right from the minute I bought it! :))
 
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The only question i can really add to is the IACV. I'm 99% sure that the problem is in the map. You need to get your tuner to add some more Duty cycle to the IACV value. It will help you on a cold start to as i'm guessing its running really bad then and nearly stalling when first turned on.

By the way i'm not slaging or putting down your tuners work and i'm sure he's done a execellent job of it just to let you and eveyone know. This is a minor thing and when you only have a day to tune a car it has to be expected at times. OEM manufactures have 1000's of hours so there would be no excuse from them !

Get in touch with you tuner.
 
The only question i can really add to is the IACV. I'm 99% sure that the problem is in the map. You need to get your tuner to add some more Duty cycle to the IACV value. It will help you on a cold start to as i'm guessing its running really bad then and nearly stalling when first turned on.

By the way i'm not slaging or putting down your tuners work and i'm sure he's done a execellent job of it just to let you and eveyone know. This is a minor thing and when you only have a day to tune a car it has to be expected at times. OEM manufactures have 1000's of hours so there would be no excuse from them !

Get in touch with you tuner.

hey Rich thanx for th advice mate, i will get in touch with Henry and get it done!:nice:

what spark plugs do you all recommend btw? I have always used NGK but any others better suited to the B16B?

Thanks again:nice:
 
the ngk iridium's are spot on just make sure you get the right heat rating short of paying for the ridiculously priced spoon plugs they are ideal
 
For yours run NGK BKR7E plugs at honda's standard plug gap (1.1mm). You can run NGK BKR7EIX (Iridium) if you want but there really expensive compared to the BKR7E's. I personally wouldnt bother with them. I'd rather just change them more often.... But each to the own....
 
That's a long time between plug changes! I've always ran these plugs, just replaced the ones on my dads FD2 with the same, car always runs super smooth with them

NGK LASER IRIDIUM SPARK PLUGS HONDA INTEGRA TYPE R DC5 on eBay (end time 10-Apr-11 15:10:16 BST)


IACV wouldn't cause the issues you are having, also does not sound like a problem with the map as it's not just going to develop now, you would have seen this happen the moment you picked it up from Henry, maps don't suddenly develop problems..........

Fit a new set of plugs, remove the dizzy cap and check the contacts/rotor arm for wear, leads you can always measure the resistance through them to ensure it is within spec

Being mapped on an older OBD1 ECU the car will be very sensitive to any electrical fault, what would go un noticed on the standard ecu will be exaggerated on your current setup

A main relay fault would show through even with the car up to temperature, well at least mine did, it would try and pull down to nothing, IACV would over compensate and bring it back to life - not to rule out this as a problem though of course, you could always borrow a mates one and check.....

have you ever replaced the lambda sensor?

As for the squeaking belts, best to inspect them to see how perished they may be etc before ordering new ones, never know it may just be that one of them is loose and needs adjusting
 
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Ramsay,

Try what Steven has said first and see if you get any luck. Is this the same idle problem we spoke about over email about 2 months ago ? From what you told me in the email it did have the same symptoms as what i was having. I could be wrong though.


Steven,

What do you mean by "thats a long time between plug changes" ?
 
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the ngk iridium's are spot on just make sure you get the right heat rating short of paying for the ridiculously priced spoon plugs they are ideal

Brilliant cheers mate. Yea the spoon ones are crazy money!:angry2:

For yours run NGK BKR7E plugs at honda's standard plug gap (1.1mm). You can run NGK BKR7EIX (Iridium) if you want but there really expensive compared to the BKR7E's. I personally wouldnt bother with them. I'd rather just change them more often.... But each to the own....

Will have a look at those plugs thanks Rich! yea it has been a while since I last changed them, will defo change more often now! thanks :)

That's a long time between plug changes! I've always ran these plugs, just replaced the ones on my dads FD2 with the same, car always runs super smooth with them

NGK LASER IRIDIUM SPARK PLUGS HONDA INTEGRA TYPE R DC5 on eBay (end time 10-Apr-11 15:10:16 BST)


IACV wouldn't cause the issues you are having, also does not sound like a problem with the map as it's not just going to develop now, you would have seen this happen the moment you picked it up from Henry, maps don't suddenly develop problems..........

Fit a new set of plugs, remove the dizzy cap and check the contacts/rotor arm for wear, leads you can always measure the resistance through them to ensure it is within spec

Being mapped on an older OBD1 ECU the car will be very sensitive to any electrical fault, what would go un noticed on the standard ecu will be exaggerated on your current setup

A main relay fault would show through even with the car up to temperature, well at least mine did, it would try and pull down to nothing, IACV would over compensate and bring it back to life - not to rule out this as a problem though of course, you could always borrow a mates one and check.....

have you ever replaced the lambda sensor?

As for the squeaking belts, best to inspect them to see how perished they may be etc before ordering new ones, never know it may just be that one of them is loose and needs adjusting

I will have a look at those plugs too Steven thanks. :)

I will get my mate to do all you,Rich, vtec6000, Gorbash, ek9ctr and Barry have said hopefully its all good and wont cost too much! :( the IACV may just need a clean, will find out tho.

I was thinking of changing the main relay, but not sure? how much was it fron Honda? easy to replace?

Nah never changed the lambda sensor, they are quite pricey from Honda as well I think. Anyway I can check its ok?

Perfect I will have a good look over the belts and mounts thanks :))

Ramsay,

Try what Steven has said first and see if you get any luck. Is this the same idle problem we spoke about over email about 2 months ago ? From what you told me in the email it did have the same symptoms as what i was having. I could be wrong though.


Steven,

What do you mean by "thats a long time between plug changes" ?

Rich I will do mate thanks.

Yea its the exact same problem we spoke about previously. Doesnt do it half as much now that its not too cold in the morning anymore. Just very occasionally! when it does do it tho it dont seem right. never cuts out thought, revs just drop below 1k then back up after I blip the throttle.

The only way I can describe the sound is its like my exhaust has a pulse but, not the normal idle sound. when it pulses my rev needle is static at just above 1k. sounds very weird.

Also noticed that now and then my MPH needle flies up to like 100mph when I am sitting in traffic or coming to a stop? I frightens the shite out of me! lol

Also what will be causing the loud squeek I get my clutch is on half lift?

Cheers for all the help so far guys!

Still waiting on Brake lines from Dixon cheng and camber arms from Accessory Zone! emailed them but nothing!:angry2: its been since 23/03!!! :angry2:
 
just noticed Steven those Spark plugs are for a K20 engine? they ok for our B series? cheers
 
Yeah the spark plugs are correct ones, the oem plug for a b16b is laser platinum, the laser iridium are meant to give a better spark though, that's the exact ones i run

Sounds a bit like a main relay now you describe the pulse in the exhaust note, if you can borrow one off a mates car then try it and see

They are easy to change, located under the dash somewhere, £60 new from honda :nice:
 
You're more than welcome to borrow my main relay to test (seeing as though the 9 is off the road). PM me if you want to :)
 
Yeah the spark plugs are correct ones, the oem plug for a b16b is laser platinum, the laser iridium are meant to give a better spark though, that's the exact ones i run

Sounds a bit like a main relay now you describe the pulse in the exhaust note, if you can borrow one off a mates car then try it and see

They are easy to change, located under the dash somewhere, £60 new from honda :nice:

Excellent cheers Steven!

I have had a nice offer below so will take ek9ctr up on it. Thanks Steven, I will let you know how I get on! :nice:

You're more than welcome to borrow my main relay to test (seeing as though the 9 is off the road). PM me if you want to :)

Nice one thanks man, appreciate it! :nice: Only thing is how do you want to get it to me? Surely you wouldnt trust posting it? you are 3 hours away in inverness! :( i wont be in loch ness again till september which aint too far away from you!
 
You should be fine posting it. Just wrap it up well and get the parcel insured.

Report back when you've installed it.
 
You should be fine posting it. Just wrap it up well and get the parcel insured.

Report back when you've installed it.

sound mate we will get that sorted cheers!

I will report back immediately boss! :)
 
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