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Topher-EK9

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Hi

right i am thinking of a supercharging or turboing my b16a2 powered ek4.

i really don't want to spend that much money though i'm not looking for 250 whp and all that but i do want some power.

Induction adn exhuast are nearly done, but obv i realise if i go turbo will need a new header.

i will eventually be changing the inlet mani and the throttle body along with a set of cams and the injectors, high pressure fuel rail and all the relevant fueling to cope. also will use a unichip as that is what my local tuner has recomended ( clive athow )

but after then i will want to go forced induction?

i guess my max budget for the turbo/SC ( and all the hardware ) is around £1000 - £1500

can you help me please ??????????????

thanks in advance
 
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looking at your intensly informative post.
i reckon a turbo is best..... want a reliable one though i won't be running silly boost levels just enough to keep it going for a long time and have a decent amount of power.
see ireally don't know what i will need.
idealy i want something that will spool quickly low dwon as VTEC badly need tourque low down, but i want something that will pull to the redline
cheers
 
I think your budget is whey to low! All the hardware plus ecu is goning to cost around £3000 at least plus labour and mapping.
 
unfortunately vtecdave is correct, you will need to raise your budget a good bit for a good turbo setup, wanting lower amounts of power does not really help you lower cost. It cost the same to turbo a Honda if you want 250-350whp, the only difference is reliability, now if you want over 350-400whp then it gets expensive because your going to want to have forged internals etc...
 
For your budget & the fact your not after that much power, why dont you look into the B18 swap or stroke you b16 to a B18?
I think you could do this just about in you budget!:nice:

There is no point in trying to go boost on the cheep, you will only end up regreting it TRUST me!
As the saying goes "Do it right the first time & you wont have to do it agen!":secret:
 
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JIMBOB-EK9 said:
As the saying goes "Do it right the first time & you wont have to do it agen!":secret:
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We had a similar saying between friends....

"I never have the money to do it right.... but I always have the time to do it twice...."

We used to laugh at the new kid who would go into debt by taking out a loan to finish his car properly and QUICKLY.... while we were too hardcore (stupid) to do the same and kept on finding budget (hackjob) solutions and repairing (over and over again).

In the end, the loan made more sense as the project flowed a lot smoother and had a much higher degree of success. But loan and go into debt with caution.... USD $5k spread over 12months is ok for most but could be killer for some.
 
RagingAngel said:
We had a similar saying between friends....

"I never have the money to do it right.... but I always have the time to do it twice...."
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I have been guilty of this on a few occasions, my finances are in order now but it was not always that way...
 
it seems i can't really find any OVER £3000
greddy kit - £1595
drag turbo kit ( which is turbotechnics ) - £2295
Edelbrock ( which includes inlet mani and injectors ) - £2600

and also labour ( have a very qualified family frined who charges £15 / hour for anything on a car ) and mapping i have acounted for seperately thankyou hence me saying just for the actual turbo kit.... no labour or mapping or anything else just the kit.

i am thinking of upping my budget to about £2000 - £2500 with maybe a bit more being payed off over time.

any way back to my original question what should i be looking for.
as all these kits are turbo's but they're t3/t4/ball bearing/ WTF what ever...... i actually need you guys to say ....

right greddy are **** as they take ages to spool and have alow peak boost or some information i can actualy use guys?

as such i am still at sqaure one i have no more knowledge from your post apart from maybe upping my spending .
please help me out so i know what i am actually doing lol.
Thanks
 
have been thinking B18 swap ....... but i want to go boosted on my b16a2 i think. purely as i know it is a clean engine and has only been mollestered by me lol. as it was one owner and he was 68 has only done 55k
 
I would really advise against going the turbo route myself.....

IMO, A reliable, thrashable B18 setup could be done for similar money....& next to no-hassle in comparison

Even if you "did" manage to get a reasonably competent turbo kit for cheap money there are other things you might need to consider....suitable compression ratio, intercooling & plumbing, ECU to run it all, brakes??

Once you factor in all those other extras i suspect the cost to do the job properly will rapidly take you over budget....especially if the major mechanical stuff is not something you can do yourself to save on labour charges
 
Spend some of that burning cash on some tuition & trackdays, get a more equipped car later imo..
 
Best bang for buck will be the turbo. as for reliability, From what you have said about not wanting massive high figures just some more power with a nice increase in torque then I don't believe reliability will be a issue for you going turbo as long as your tuner provoids a good map. If in doubts about your tuners capabilities then I would recommend talking to Steve Saddler (Welcome to www.fctuning.co.uk) he will sort you out with a good safe map. Or Craig at gotboost.co.uk who does a lot of tuning for guys over on civiclife.net he drives a jordan vti himself running 300+bhp on standard internals for over a year and no problems yet not that id advise that kind of power on standard internals. Check this webpage for turbo kits that were recommended to me GO-AUTOWORKS Civic CRX Integra Complete Bolt On Turbo Kits
 
chrismc_DC2 said:
I would really advise against going the turbo route myself.....

IMO, A reliable, thrashable B18 setup could be done for similar money....& next to no-hassle in comparison

Even if you "did" manage to get a reasonably competent turbo kit for cheap money there are other things you might need to consider....suitable compression ratio, intercooling & plumbing, ECU to run it all, brakes??

Once you factor in all those other extras i suspect the cost to do the job properly will rapidly take you over budget....especially if the major mechanical stuff is not something you can do yourself to save on labour charges
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You have no idea what your talking about. You seem to not understand what a "turbo kit" is.

Topher-EK4 said:
it seems i can't really find any OVER £3000
greddy kit - £1595
drag turbo kit ( which is turbotechnics ) - £2295
Edelbrock ( which includes inlet mani and injectors ) - £2600

and also labour ( have a very qualified family frined who charges £15 / hour for anything on a car ) and mapping i have acounted for seperately thankyou hence me saying just for the actual turbo kit.... no labour or mapping or anything else just the kit.

i am thinking of upping my budget to about £2000 - £2500 with maybe a bit more being payed off over time.

any way back to my original question what should i be looking for.
as all these kits are turbo's but they're t3/t4/ball bearing/ WTF what ever...... i actually need you guys to say ....

right greddy are **** as they take ages to spool and have alow peak boost or some information i can actualy use guys?

as such i am still at sqaure one i have no more knowledge from your post apart from maybe upping my spending .
please help me out so i know what i am actually doing lol.
Thanks
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OK, The Edelbrock kit comes with everything you need to turbo you car, you should get the Performer X version of the kit since you will be mapping/tuning seperately. That kit is good enough for about 250-350whp.
 
blinx9900 said:
You have no idea what your talking about. You seem to not understand what a "turbo kit" is.
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:shocked:I have "plenty" of idea about what im talking about Blinx:nice:

Fair enough, if the kit comes complete with everything required to do the job....

I still feel that other areas of the car will need attention though. Suspension, brakes etc

Add this to the other inevitable niggles that will occur & the cost will soon mount up. Add that to the fact that the guy perhaps has limited understanding of Turbocharging & I just think its not the best idea. Its just my opinion matey:nice:
 
chrismc_DC2 said:
Add this to the other inevitable niggles that will occur & the cost will soon mount up. Add that to the fact that the guy perhaps has limited understanding of Turbocharging & I just think its not the best idea. Its just my opinion matey:nice:
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Your right about that, i understand what your saying, but your first response seemed like an opinion with know reasoning behind it and was sort of incorrect since he is looking for a kit :nice:

Don't forget though, the inevitable niggles that occur come with power, it has nothing to do with Turbo or NA, any B series making 250+whp will have its minor hiccups ;)
 
Couldn't agree more:clap:

My reasoning is that a lightly breathed on B18 should be a significant step up from a B16a2 whilst retaining the mechanical simplicity of the original setup....a kind of "intermediate" setup where the Turbo could be classed as "advanced"

If it all goes horribly wrong on a Turbo setup, it will do it very quickly, & the damage will be significant. As im sure you agree, you need a thorough understanding & a sixth sense with how the engine is running/behaving when living with such an engine day to day...:)
 
chrismc_DC2 said:
As im sure you agree, you need a thorough understanding & a sixth sense with how the engine is running/behaving when living with such an engine day to day...:)
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Beautifully said, i always say a turbo Honda is not for the feint of heart :nice:

I certainly agree that Topher-EK4 at this point is not ready for a turbo setup, but i am assuming he will be doing more research before he goes for the turbo setup, if not a b18c with a close ratio gearset should be very fun also and has no where near the amount of maintenance and stress on the engine...
 
IMO, you should get another block first, like a B18 or B20 since you said your B16 is in a very fresh condition. From there, there will be a big jump in torque especially on the low to mid range. Then from there, maybe you could get a very small turbo like a T28 if you still want to go turbo since you said you're not looking into big power gains. This should be good for 220 - 250 whp. And if ever you change your mind and plan on going 300hp, you could fortify the B18 or B20 while at same time, still use your old B16 to ride around in the EK. And if something goes wrong too with the B18 or B20, you have something to use again for the EK while rebuilding the broken engine

But if 200hp more or less on the flywheel is alright with you, then just get used parts like type-r valvetrain, type-r intake manifold, CTR cams and some sort of I/H/E combination and most importantly, have the ECU tuned. :)
 
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