Whats up with england ?

[Topher-EK9]

people seem to think this is a computer game and want to get the army involved...!!!!!! this is called MARTIAL LAW and suspends and wavers all rights.........To put the army on your own citizens is a majorly stupid thing to do for any goverment in the world... and look what happens to the goverments that did it..

" THE PAST ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF " isn't just a pretty looking phraise...

* AHEM * anyone remember EGYPT or SYRIA... yeah martial law was declared.. and look what happened
SNAP BACK TO REALITY EDUCATION LESSON IS NOW OVER!!!!!!!!

these are peopls lives youa re talking about.. i do not condone the ritoers and the riots but the police HAVE To sort it out and protect and serve like they swore an oath to do.... and like we pay them to do !!!!!!!

 

[mld22]

The police need to perform a peace keeping role and try and contain the violence.
Getting emotional and wanting to beat the sh!t out of them all would be satisfying but not what is needed
The rioters need to be dealt with, within the law. Arrested and punished through the legal system.

There are serious issues with lack of police and police safety aswell.

 

[Topher-EK9]

amen Martin... couldn't agree more

 

[JDMracework]

people seem to think this is a computer game and want to get the army involved...!!!!!! this is called MARTIAL LAW and suspends and wavers all rights.........To put the army on your own citizens is a majorly stupid thing to do for any goverment in the world... and look what happens to the goverments that did it..

" THE PAST ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF " isn't just a pretty looking phraise...

* AHEM * anyone remember EGYPT or SYRIA... yeah martial law was declared.. and look what happened
SNAP BACK TO REALITY EDUCATION LESSON IS NOW OVER!!!!!!!!

these are peopls lives youa re talking about.. i do not condone the ritoers and the riots but the police HAVE To sort it out and protect and serve like they swore an oath to do.... and like we pay them to do !!!!!!!

couldnt of said it better myself!!!!!!

 

[Sid-ek9]

Where's the A-team?

 

[Championship White]

The police need to perform a peace keeping role and try and contain the violence.
Getting emotional and wanting to beat the sh!t out of them all would be satisfying but not what is needed
The rioters need to be dealt with, within the law. Arrested and punished through the legal system.

There are serious issues with lack of police and police safety aswell.

In a riot situation there isn't enough man-power or time to arrest every individual and it would cost millions in litigation to take all of them through the legal system on charges which would incurr little more than a few hours of community service which most people wouldn't even turn up for.

At the end of the day, property is being damaged and stolen and because of the media, official policy and fear the Police are just watching it all happen instead of stopping it, which is not a society I want to live in.

Edit: And using martial law in this instance is not comparable with Egypt as the Egyptian government was corrupt and tortured people etc. I don't think David Cameron has ever used the thumb-screws... The looters are not fighting for democracy or freedom of speech.

 

[type-r-dunk]

should send the police from N.I over, CS spray, water cannon and plastic bullets FTW!

Yep speak to the people who know how to deal with this.

BBC News - Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London

****ing Disgrace!

THAT IS £UCKING DISCRACEFULL. They will get this guy as decent cctv pic.

I agree with Jimbo! They need to do something, "tried and tested" like water cannons or rubber bullets! They are making a mockery of the police! Who are meant to give us confidence they can protect us and our property! No confidence at all.....

I can not agree more. If i was one of those shop owners i would be stood in the door way guarding my livelihood with a sorn off 12 bore shot gun!

Then clearly some of us have lost confidence in the Police if these people can run around doing this! They have no control! None of them are scared of police anymore as they will constantly get a slap on the wrist!

More action is required and tougher measures need to be brought in!

Too right tougher laws needed and Human wrights act needs updating. If you are older enough to do the crime than do the time. Being 12 years old is not an excuse. My 2 year old knows they are doing bad things.

The police need to perform a peace keeping role and try and contain the violence.

The rioters need to be dealt with, within the law. Arrested and punished through the legal system.

The police performing "peace keeping" by just standing there clearly is not working. Treat fire with fire.

If under 18 they can not be dealt with within the law that is why this is happening as there is NO consequence to there actions thanks to those bloody "do gooders" taking the piss out of the human wrights laws!

 

[Jimbo]

people seem to think this is a computer game and want to get the army involved...!!!!!! this is called MARTIAL LAW and suspends and wavers all rights.........To put the army on your own citizens is a majorly stupid thing to do for any goverment in the world... and look what happens to the goverments that did it..

" THE PAST ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF " isn't just a pretty looking phraise...

* AHEM * anyone remember EGYPT or SYRIA... yeah martial law was declared.. and look what happened
SNAP BACK TO REALITY EDUCATION LESSON IS NOW OVER!!!!!!!!

these are peopls lives youa re talking about.. i do not condone the ritoers and the riots but the police HAVE To sort it out and protect and serve like they swore an oath to do.... and like we pay them to do !!!!!!!

i dont agree at all chris! sorry mate, certain sections of the army are trained in public order duties and this does not involve 'taking lives as you stated'

how do you think the streets were controlled in N.I during the height of trouble....... ARMY, RAF regiment and royal marines.

 

[Topher-EK9]

those parts of the army and raf yes i understand what you mean now..

but to get the general army involved martial law would have to be called..
thats just mental as this would cause more harm that good is what i meant to say last time around, as one shot from another police officer and the whole of london will go into panic..

they were only able to do it N.I because it was a threat to national security.. this is not a threat to national security..

Type r dunk - when i worked for the M.O.J we tagged people who were 12 and over so there is still ways of dealing with crime at young age's.. i fully agree.. you do the crime you do the time.. but You simply can't fight fire with fire.... you just can't end of.. to simplify it.. that would cause more fire.

p.s they are using water cannons .... did you guys miss this on the news.. ?? not meant to be a smrt reply i am honestly just asking if you did or not as it was all over the local news here.

 

[mld22]

In a riot situation there isn't enough man-power or time to arrest every individual and it would cost millions in litigation to take all of them through the legal system on charges which would incurr little more than a few hours of community service which most people wouldn't even turn up for.

At the end of the day, property is being damaged and stolen and because of the media, official policy and fear the Police are just watching it all happen instead of stopping it, which is not a society I want to live in.

Edit: And using martial law in this instance is not comparable with Egypt as the Egyptian government was corrupt and tortured people etc. I don't think David Cameron has ever used the thumb-screws... The looters are not fighting for democracy or freedom of speech.

Agreed, not everybody will be arrested, very few will be. But there is no other option.
Rioters will continue to outnumber the police. The police can try and contain and resist but not much more. Very few police officers are trained to deal with rioting
Reacting emotionally and outwith the law would bring only more trouble

 

[Jimbo]

if they get involved with the army and riot police there will be more harm than good..

i dont think you understand how the forces crowd/riot control sections operate and within accordance to!

there would be no loss of life, as you keep mentioning, theres a military law 'JSP card Alpha' which lays down your rules of engagement in different situations!

 

[mld22]

i dont think you understand how the forces crowd/riot control sections operate and within accordance to!

there would be no loss of life, as you keep mentioning, theres a military law 'JSP card Alpha' which lays down your rules of engagement in different situations!

Getting the army involved could seriously aggravate the current situation. It could further reinforce the "them and us" society. Causing greater violence and a divided London. The opposite of what is needed to solve the problems of inequality in London. Inequality being the main reason behind the rioting

Any decision to involve the military cannot be taken lightly or due to public emotion

 

[RoEk9]

i dont agree at all chris! sorry mate, certain sections of the army are trained in public order duties and this does not involve 'taking lives as you stated'

how do you think the streets were controlled in N.I during the height of trouble....... ARMY, RAF regiment and royal marines.

exactly it would definatly help the matter! The police cant cope its the best option and the more numbers they have Police and Army the quicker they can get things undercontrol!

 

[Jimbo]

RoEk9 common sense appiled

the army would act as a structual backbone for the police to concentrate on criminal activity.

 

[mld22]

every one seems to know whats best!

the army would act as a structual backbone for the police to concentrate on criminal activity.

I don't know what is best

Involving the Army (in any role, peacekeeping etc) would potentially throw more wood on the fire.
The rioters would perceive it as declaration of war. The rioters will no longer be fighting against shops and buildings.
Even if it did stop the rioting there are long term consequences. A further divided society is not what Britain needs.

Let them fight themselves until they are tired and then show them the strength of our legal system

 

[Topher-EK9]

please jimbo believe me when i say i fully undestand what you mean i said so in my last comment..
i didn't say loss of life dude i said peoples lives as in their welfare, property, emotion that sort of thing i didn't mean loss of life.. i meant the effect that havcing the army precense on the street would have on normal people would be so pychologically harming it would cause mass histeria.. * edit just read martins comment this is what i am getting at *

anyway i do not see the army having a presence on the street having a good outcome.. it would install fear amungst literally millions of londoners..

 

[Topher-EK9]

just wanna say i think its great that we can discuss this like adults and not tear each others throats out.... as we all know none of us are fully right otherwise we would be working for the M.O.D on the advisory council for homeland security..

or do i secretly work for them

 

[mld22]

or do i secretly work for them

I'm only the photocopier guy

 

[RoEk9]

anyway i do not see the army having a presence on the street having a good outcome.. it would install fear amungst literally millions of londoners..

How would the army create fear for londoners? Would i not be right it saying it would make them more relaxed that they have support and dont have to worry as they would be there to protect the innocent public population?

 

[civicstu]

the uk is on its knee s money wise and now this. i would love to be in the police tonight