removing power steering to boost bhp?


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came across an article that showed a 4hp gain in bhp due to the removal of the power steering system....

it wouldn't really bother me on the road but id say on the track my arms would be hanging off me?

this example seen an increase of 4.2hp after the removal of power steering

Necessity really is the mother of invention. While searching for additional performance from the author’s very own USTCC-championship winning Del Sol, we came across a way to both increase power and remove weight (the enemy of performance and the second critical element in power-to-weight ratio). Knowing that underdrive pulleys work well to reduce parasitic losses in the accessories (see the test on the Unorthodox Racing crank pulley), we decided to go that step one better by completely eliminating the entire power steering system. By removing the power steering pump, we eliminate a considerable chunk of weight off the nose-heavy Del Sol and increased the power output of the B16A race motor all in one fell swoop.

The B16A “race” motor was actually nothing more than a used B16A from one of the local wrecking yards that specialize in the used motors from Japan. The B16A was equipped with a header from APEXi, an AEM air intake, and an open exhaust. Some tuning with the static ignition timing, an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, and the Mugen ECU resulted in a power output of 154 hp to the wheels. The removal of the power steering pump dropped a few precious pounds off the nose while increasing power across the board. The power gains were most pronounced as engine speed increased—typical of an underdrive-pulley type modification. The loss of power steering was not missed, as the Honda Civic steering seems to be over-boosted for my taste. The new manual steering resulted in more power, less weight, and improved road feel. What more could you ask for from a performance modification?
 
I have it done and definitely frees up power , noticeable difference out the road .

And steering isn't heavy really ..
 
steering only feels heavy when parking or low speed corners, I loved it and on track/road felt the tarmac so much better it was like being more in control. only thing is of you have a power steering rack you will need to modify it or get a none power steering rack as it will otherwise break I was told due to lack of fluid
 
id say for daily driving and drag racing it would be fine to just loop the pipes but for track i could see problems arising from the power steering fluid getting hot
 
Needs to be done properly with a manual steering rack but even with a manual rack on a daily driver its a pain turning the wheel at low speeds!
 
I looped my power rack and had no issues at all, love how it feels, so much more feedback.

Hope to god it is ok when I get back in June, it hasn't moved in almost 2 years ha ha:angry:
 
have to say i tried running without the belt on and it gave me a bad case of butthurt

does looping the system reduce the butthurt?

the steering was really heavy all the time not just when stopped so im guessing the pump was restricting the flow of the fluid and creating the heavy feeling.

I didn't drive the car much to feel any power increase but might try it next time im drag racing see if it improves my times any.
 
Looping the lines is a waste of time, you are still pushing fluid around.

Do it right and get the piston seal out of the rack. My car is great with this done.
 
I removed p/s on my ek9 and didnt regret it, so much better feedback and car is 10x more stable at high speeds, i removed the steering rack and dismantled it so i could remove the seals and grease it, its only heavy to turn at less than 10kmh after that its grand, only problem i ever had was i had to remove and regrease it after about 6months but no problem since, and iv been running it that way the last 2 years,
 
You guys are making want to chop out my p/s now lol done abs last week and its loads better!
 
Why do you have to re grease every 6 months? You don't re grease a normal manual rack, what was happening to the grease??
 
Why do you have to re grease every 6 months? You don't re grease a normal manual rack, what was happening to the grease??

I didnt put enough in the first time, i filled it with grease the second time and never had any problems since,
 
Mine is looped and I've had it like that for almost a year.
Before that I ran a reservoir with a breather on it so the rack was still getting fluid, hasn't made any difference with feel.

I don't even find parking that much trouble anymore as I just make sure the car is moving before turning the wheel.
 
I liked the feel of no power steering for fast road purposes. You get more power and more feedback, and less weight and complication. Less clutter in the engine bay.

I do not recommend opening up and messing with a power rack and removing parts. Some DIY's online recommend taking out parts which actually stabilize the rack main rod, causing loud noises. Ask me how I know... Only parts you should remove if doing it this way are the small parts inside the valve body that don't don't stabilize anything. If you take apart a power rack you'll know what I mean.

Best way to do it is to just install a freshly rebuilt manual rack! These turn quite a bit easier than a looped power rack. I got used to it quick and drove on a manual rack for 5+ years. If I had a track car I would have added a quaife quick steering rack and pinion.

I've grown up now however and am back to power steering.
 
Hi Guys, (apologies for dinging up the thread again) I got my power steering rack reconditioned earlier this week.

However,while trying to remove the rack, I had to cut the high pressure line as the bolt was impossible to get loose. I am really struggling to find a high pressure line and have asked a few places to make me up a new one but they have declined.

When I seen the loop pipe idea I think this might get me back on the road until I source a the high pressure pipe. Does anyone know where I could get this loop pipe? are they readily available? Thanks for your time.
 
Hi Guys, (apologies for dinging up the thread again) I got my power steering rack reconditioned earlier this week.

However,while trying to remove the rack, I had to cut the high pressure line as the bolt was impossible to get loose. I am really struggling to find a high pressure line and have asked a few places to make me up a new one but they have declined.

When I seen the loop pipe idea I think this might get me back on the road until I source a the high pressure pipe. Does anyone know where I could get this loop pipe? are they readily available? Thanks for your time.

Hey paddy, I just looped the lines to let the PS fluid run from one side to the other with a 1/2" Y piece, with a pipe going up the firewall. It acts like a resivoir and keeps the rack lubed without letting air in, built it about 4 years ago and still going the best.:nice:
 
My crx didn't come with power steering from the factory, and its fine.
My coupe i took the power steering off, just let all the fluid out, i didn't even loop the pipes or block them off and never had a problem.(4years+)
I found the delsol vti steering wayyy too light after 70, but i could never fault the ek9 steering, perfect on road and track, i'm not sure if i'd remove it.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, It would be very handy if I could use this method.

Does this effect the vehicles road worthiness test? and how do you fill the rack back up with oil? If any air gets inside will this cause trouble with the steering?
 
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