Need Help on my B16b build!!

[nismo.racing.23]

Hi guys. Im from Nebraska in the US. I drive a 2000 Honda Civic SiR Coupe with a bone stock B16B Type R motor and tranny, ecu, etc. The changeover package offered from hmotorsonline. Like I just said its bone stock no modifications. My goal for the car is make it as clean as possible and fast as well. I'm comfortable spending around 10k-15k on this build (motor alone). I will be using this car sometimes as a DD but mostly a weekend fun car no track racing due to the fact that there are none around here. No current relevant modifications done to the motor. My goal for the car is around 500-600 whp. I just would like to see some of the options I have as far as the compatibility of parts. But I do know for sure that I want to do an ITB setup and for fuel management im thinking most likely Megasquirt. Well help me out if you can and thanks.

 

[JDM 101]

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

 

[nismo.racing.23]

ya thats kind of what im gathering but im tryin to stay away from turbo's i wanna go ITB's... but if it comes down to it to make my goal i will have to boost...

 

[Rich777]

There is no way you will hit that goel with itb's. You will need a turbo setup for that sort of power.

 

[SPek9]

Need a serious turbo or supercharger to get near that sort of whp! Also its a rediculous amount of power to put through a fwd car

I would try to aim for a nice and reliable 200+whp n/a and also concentrate on making the car handle perfectly and look well. IMO turboing a type-r takes away from the sound and enjoyment of the vtec system

 

[blinx9900]

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

500-600 whp?... I think you cant do this on an NA setup. Turbo is the way to go.

quoted for truth, this thread has to be the joke of the year, hi guys i want friggin 600whp ALL MOTOR cause i want to "stay away" from turbo's?

Time to buy a V8 buddy... Do a tad more research before you post, at this point that money will all go to waste, you are not ready for such an endeavor trust me!

 

[kon0089]

LOL blinx just set everyone straight!!!

 

[muiris]

Why would you want that kind of power anyway?
200-250whp will do you just fine without all the problems..

 

[nismo.racing.23]

well thanks for the input.. but yes i would agree to the 500 whp is a bit much but still like 250whp for me just isnt really cuttin it.. i want to go above and beyond with my car. i think realistically like 300+whp would be sufficient. so maybe we can start fresh with that. ive also done research on ITB's and came to my senses that - that really wouldnt be the way to go. so im leaning toward a turbo setup now. so lets start over.. my goal is 300+whp with about 10k-15k to spend and this will be mostly a weekend fun car but i also want to be able to make it through stop and go traffic. so lets go from there and shoot me some ideas.

 

[DOHCIVIC]

well thanks for the input.. but yes i would agree to the 500 whp is a bit much but still like 250whp for me just isnt really cuttin it.. i want to go above and beyond with my car. i think realistically like 300+whp would be sufficient. so maybe we can start fresh with that. ive also done research on ITB's and came to my senses that - that really wouldnt be the way to go. so im leaning toward a turbo setup now. so lets start over.. my goal is 300+whp with about 10k-15k to spend and this will be mostly a weekend fun car but i also want to be able to make it through stop and go traffic. so lets go from there and shoot me some ideas.

I have a fully built Laskey racing b16 motor and turbo set up i'd be happy to sell you(putting out 330whp)

 

[nismo.racing.23]

I have a fully built Laskey racing b16 motor and turbo set up i'd be happy to sell you(putting out 330whp)

not interested in buyin another motor.. i wanna build my b16b.. sorry and thanks for the offer tho

 

[JDM 101]

well thanks for the input.. but yes i would agree to the 500 whp is a bit much but still like 250whp for me just isnt really cuttin it.. i want to go above and beyond with my car. i think realistically like 300+whp would be sufficient. so maybe we can start fresh with that. ive also done research on ITB's and came to my senses that - that really wouldnt be the way to go. so im leaning toward a turbo setup now. so lets start over.. my goal is 300+whp with about 10k-15k to spend and this will be mostly a weekend fun car but i also want to be able to make it through stop and go traffic. so lets go from there and shoot me some ideas.

Im gonna be nice with you sir. It is still difficult to achieve 300+whp on an B series NA set up. If 250whp is not much for you then go turbo. If you still want 300+whp with no turbo then we cant help you.


@blinx ... LOL

 

[nismo.racing.23]

Im gonna be nice with you sir. It is still difficult to achieve 300+whp on an B series NA set up. If 250whp is not much for you then go turbo. If you still want 300+whp with no turbo then we cant help you.


@blinx ... LOL

"... so im leaning toward a turbo setup now.." that is in that paragraph you just quoted from me... turbo is now in the picture..

 

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Forced Induction - EK9.org JDM EK9 Honda Civic Type R Forum

 

[ek99]

Chip your ecu,camshafts and gears,skunk 2 intake mani,tb70.You will have enough fun,and theres no point of turboing an NA engine IMO,good luck with your build.

 

[nismo.racing.23]

Chip your ecu,camshafts and gears,skunk 2 intake mani,tb70.You will have enough fun,and theres no point of turboing an NA engine IMO,good luck with your build.

ok for the record.... Im NOT n/a-ing my car anymore.. Im TURBO-ing my car now. for those of you who do not understand, this build now is a TURBO setup build. no more NA... TURBO TURBO... can i point it out anymore than that? please READ all replies before you post. TURBO now.

 

[JDM 101]

^Then your in the wrong section of the board.

This may help.

Forced Induction - EK9.org JDM EK9 Honda Civic Type R Forum

Google

 

[pateras_vtec]

well thanks for the input.. but yes i would agree to the 500 whp is a bit much but still like 250whp for me just isnt really cuttin it.. i want to go above and beyond with my car. i think realistically like 300+whp would be sufficient. so maybe we can start fresh with that. ive also done research on ITB's and came to my senses that - that really wouldnt be the way to go. so im leaning toward a turbo setup now. so lets start over.. my goal is 300+whp with about 10k-15k to spend and this will be mostly a weekend fun car but i also want to be able to make it through stop and go traffic. so lets go from there and shoot me some ideas.

I think you should get a C32. 400hp N/A will be achievable easy i think.

 

[ramboteamjon]

bloody hell give the guy a break! his original post was in no way offensive! he has now decided to go turbo after realising you cant get 500whp from a B16B NA! help him dont rip him!

Mate I am no expert and I dont have experience in turbo cars but I do have a B16B and I read alot!!

So... i can help you a bit:

I recommend you read alot of the posts in the forced induction section as all your answers will be there!

On a B16B compression is high so thats a no no for a reliable turbo so you must lower the compression with a thicker headgasket. am sure the rest of the head (cams, etc) are perfect for turbo so keep that. if you are going higher than 300whp then sleeving your block is a good idea. your tune and EMS is CRUCIAL! be sure to go with what ever your tuner is comfortable with....hondata, crome, AEM, for example! you will need a 3" exhaust system, not sure what turbo tho? intercooler, ARP head studs, etc.

hope this helps bud!

 

[nismo.racing.23]

bloody hell give the guy a break! his original post was in no way offensive! he has now decided to go turbo after realising you cant get 500whp from a B16B NA! help him dont rip him!

Mate I am no expert and I dont have experience in turbo cars but I do have a B16B and I read alot!!

So... i can help you a bit:

I recommend you read alot of the posts in the forced induction section as all your answers will be there!

On a B16B compression is high so thats a no no for a reliable turbo so you must lower the compression with a thicker headgasket. am sure the rest of the head (cams, etc) are perfect for turbo so keep that. if you are going higher than 300whp then sleeving your block is a good idea. your tune and EMS is CRUCIAL! be sure to go with what ever your tuner is comfortable with....hondata, crome, AEM, for example! you will need a 3" exhaust system, not sure what turbo tho? intercooler, ARP head studs, etc.

hope this helps bud!

thank you. my next question is which would be more reliable at 350+whp, a high compression setup or low compression setup. I realize that at a high compression setup i will have a better low end, off boost, power, and quicker throttle response but on the negative side of that i would have to run a low amount of psi. now if i go with a low compression setup I would have to rebuild connecting rods, pistons, sleeves and/or block guards, P&P, stainless steel valves, etc.. but i would be able to run a larger amount of psi more reliable. so from there my question is at a reliable 350+whp, low or high compression setup? thanks