ITR vs CTR cams in real world


KieranEG6 said:
So no dyno figures before...... and wasnt even your car was some1 on a forum in poland......no details of tunner or were it was dynoed...

think ill leave that debate as it is lol...
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yes very funny - that was just example of modifiaction - I looked through his topic where he wrote about step by step what was done - so I don't have bases to not believe him by the way...

please keep in mind also that this ek civic was going in street class - with full interior - so that might be a reason too...

I don't want to argue - that was not my point from the start...

maybe I will have opportunity to see this myself on my car...
 
If only i can find a set or reasonable priced ITR/CTR cams :(
 
2001 ITR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-P73-J01

1997 ITR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-P73-J00

CTR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-PCT-000

the exhaust cam Honda part number is identical for all 3 cams (97 ITR, 01 ITR, and CTR): 14121-P73-J00
 
Johnny-R said:
2001 ITR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-P73-J01

1997 ITR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-P73-J00

CTR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-PCT-000

the exhaust cam Honda part number is identical for all 3 cams (97 ITR, 01 ITR, and CTR): 14121-P73-J00
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I heard so the fl. integra cams are the same as the EK9 cams.
The fl. teg is stronger than the non fl. maybe the cause is the cams.

I've fl. tegra cams and it looks like the EK9 cams. (2 groove above the rims, and the rims has flange too)

Is it possible that the part number is different but the cams are the same???
 
KieranEG6 said:
type r cams wont be much of an improvement if not loose power as the b18c4 intake path is so different and the compression ratio is to low to work with the profiles.

Im sure i have seen a graph were sum1 lost out power puting Type R cams into a stock b18c4
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Made a big difference on my car mate, testing against another itr..
 
KieranEG6 said:
So no dyno figures before...... and wasnt even your car was some1 on a forum in poland......no details of tunner or were it was dynoed...

think ill leave that debate as it is lol...

Plus 14.031 1/4mile is not that impressive for a civic with sposed 215hp and 140lbft. My standard, untuned and well used (abused! lol) b16a EG6 SiR (170hp/ 115lbft, if that after 80k) ran best of 14.22 1/4mile and average of 14.4 on street Eagle F1's, so surely something with over 45hp and 25lbft more only gained 0.2s? i dont think so i would expect more from that setup. But hey maybe different for different climats, always thought poland was a cold ish climate would have thought with all the cold oxygen packed air the average 1/4m times would be better? .. but then tyre temp and traction also a factor ... too many variables and now im rambeling and this is nothing to do with this topic :nono:

sorry :drive: lol
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You need to forget the et when looking in to how much power a car may or may not have, trap speed is the best indicator of a cars true power. Dynos work on guesstimates and can be tricked quite easy, testing in wrong gear, tire pressues etc so as you say take the results with a pinch of salt.

Going back to the cam debate, you cant expect to chuck in a set of cams and make power straight away with no adjustments to tune, I would also bet that the the people who lost power were not timed up correctly
 
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No if the part number is different then the cam profile is different :/
 
^^^I think they are the same exact cam.

1997 ITR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-P73-J00

CTR intake cam Honda part number: 14111-PCT-000
 
I have heard rumours of different primary and secondary profiles between the two cams.

Need someone with a set of both to measure them to confirm that really, someone on the ITR forum said they did and the B16Bs were bigger.
 
Racebase on a drag strip, or something like that.

Full fat EK9s are more like 6.5.
 
I've seen a few different sources with 0-60 times ranging from 5.7 to 6.6 secs. I've also seen different sources giving VTi 0-60 times ranging from 7.3 to 8 secs. I think it has a lot to do with the driver during the tests and weather conditions etc.
 
I was/am tempted to look at getting CTR and Dual Springs for my EK4 SiR, but looking at £250ish for cams, £500 for ecu + remap, for the sake of maybe 10-15 bhp I just don't think I can justify it. lol
 
My old b18c4 with ctr cams made 190hp with chipped ecu
should make near 200 tuned
 
e5k1m0 Sam said:
I've seen a few different sources with 0-60 times ranging from 5.7 to 6.6 secs. I've also seen different sources giving VTi 0-60 times ranging from 7.3 to 8 secs. I think it has a lot to do with the driver during the tests and weather conditions etc.
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the dc2 integra type r doesnt do 0-60 in 6.6 seconds and its faster accelerating than a ek9(standard vs standard) so how does the ek9 manage it quicker!?
 
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