I'm planning on getting this intake...


Dino-Spumoni said:
I actually have the comptech ice-box system, and the extended cold air tube goes down into the front bumper behind the foglight area. It still sucks in cold air but is protected from rain. Although, If I wanted a ram air effect I would have to make a little cut out in my bumper right next to the foglight (99-00 front end).
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do you recommend the ice-box system? i was wondering if anyone has dyno numbers of this system :nerv:
 
SpoonCTR said:
Right now i have a mugen intake, i love it! :nice:
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Ive ordered a Mugen carbon Intake last week it will be replacing my current AEM V2 cold air...

Is there a better intake than Mugen??? if yes which r u aware of?:thanks:

Mugen intake purchase frm:
http://www.nengun.com/
 
rvm said:
do you recommend the ice-box system? i was wondering if anyone has dyno numbers of this system :nerv:
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Comptech has some dyno #'s. But you cant judge this system on top dyno power. Its true use is to keep the response and high rpm power of a short ram system, while always keeping a cold air source for even the hottest days. A dyno just shows how much power its going to make in a sterile, open hood situation. The mugen system is even more "baller" though, and uses the exact same concept.
 
jugbugz said:
what doesn't make sense to you? It's a bit of physics and science involved

you can't feel that extra 5hp peak power short spread compared to 5Nm of torque on a wide spread.

The config of ARC is clearly doing less than what a pod filter could do. Dyno figures have acheived for this. And... i don't see how it can get better response than a pod filter short ram...

air passes through radiator and air intake filter sitting right under the bonnet, drawing air heated from 1.radiator 2.engine bay 3. it's own air box 4. moving air which decreases the density and heats up.

besides, my opinions are from my own experiences and study. If everyone's opinion is the same then there will be nothing to talk about. I'm sure there are many people out there would disagree with your opinions. People do what they think is positive and not everyones positives is same, everyone got different senses and taste... Just as why Meguaires make so many different types of waxes. They made this kind of comment too.

if you don't agree thats fine... write up your own opinions and maybe you'll might change my mind...
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wow, only dictators think if you dont agree you dont understand. i understand what your saying, i just disagree, and ive past the point were i will try to change someones mind over a 4-6whp mod when they have such an extreme opinion. you say its from your own "experience" and "study" arent you 18? please explain your experience and study, id really like to know, here is mine in case your wondering:

im 24 (working on hondas since 17) ive read over a thousand automotive magazines over the past few years, i have 10 boxes full of mags in my garage, i have spend coutless hours online reading tech disucssions (objectively),i am a Mechanical Engineering student, i have been working at a performance shop for many years, that same shop built and tunned the WOLRDS first fwd 10second full interior civic. we currently own the fastest evo on the west coast, and weve been building and tunning honda/acura's for over 12years, i have been present for over 100 dyno tunning sessions, i have seen many different mods dyno'd including atleast 20 intakes after the pipe was heatsoaked and i can tell you they still increase whp.
 
Dino-Spumoni said:
I don't think I thouroughly explained what I was trying to say. When I say short ram=higher rpm power, cold air=lower rpm power, I'm not talking about the source of the air I'm talking about the length of the tube and the placement of the filter along that tube.
Of course you should always have a cold air source, that is of no debate, never intake hot air right from under the hood. What I mean is if you have a short ram intake with a cold air source (and this can be done without removing the headlight) its going to make more top end power than a cold air intake with a much longer tube. When you mate a cold air source to a short ram filter you get the response of the short ram but the cold air of a cold air intake. Think of a normal short ram intake but then wrap the filter with a box that has a tube running down into the fenderwell. Look at comptech's ice-box system, or mugen's system that uses the same technique. Another great thing about this system is its much easier to change the filter than on a cold air intake where you may have to remove the bumper.
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usually when adding length to the intake pipe you move your power band higher up, not lower. the only reason some coldair intakes seem to have less top end is becuase of all the bends.
 
blinx9900 said:
wow, only dictators think if you dont agree you dont understand. i understand what your saying, i just disagree, and ive past the point were i will try to change someones mind over a 4-6whp mod when they have such an extreme opinion. you say its from your own "experience" and "study" arent you 18? please explain your experience and study, id really like to know, here is mine in case your wondering:

im 24 (working on hondas since 17) ive read over a thousand automotive magazines over the past few years, i have 10 boxes full of mags in my garage, i have spend coutless hours online reading tech disucssions (objectively),i am a Mechanical Engineering student, i have been working at a performance shop for many years, that same shop built and tunned the WOLRDS first fwd 10second full interior civic. we currently own the fastest evo on the west coast, and weve been building and tunning honda/acura's for over 12years, i have been present for over 100 dyno tunning sessions, i have seen many different mods dyno'd including atleast 20 intakes after the pipe was heatsoaked and i can tell you they still increase whp.
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Isn't this a repeat somewhere in the intake thread? sigh...
 
jugbugz said:
Isn't this a repeat somewhere in the intake thread? sigh...
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yeah, i even said, "here is something i typed for you on another thread, you must of not read it yet:" but whatever... lets stop argueing man, were acting like shool kids...
 
Just thught i'd add to this by saying wahey!! My J's racing intake should come today, i ordered it yesterday - i tried to get the carbon one but i was told it would take 6-8 weeks just to get one :( so i opted for the frp model (black plastic i think) £50 less too.

Will post pics if you guys want - thats if i get it today - if i do i will be fitting it 2moro!
 
wow 6-8 weeks! thats a long timess, atleast you save a good bit of money, let us know how you like it, i get a lot of mixed reviews on this particular intake.
 
Yeah i've seen some mixed reviews - to be honest i havent really seen much difference in air intakes (on my cars) as long as they have a cold air feed so i'm going for how this one looks rather than performance.
 
Hey, I'm ordering a J's racing intake too!!!

hehe My supplier has tested this with the Top Fuel one and J's racing kicks ass. You can feel the increase. Apparently I've heard 5whp gains. But be sure to direct cold air somehow.
 
ive seen aem cold air dynoes many times and it always generated about 6whp :nice: also like the apexi funnel ram is another personal favorite of mine :nice: sorry im not sure if i said all this already :)
 
Well i got my intake and i fitted it!

One question - what do you guys do with the airflow sensor? i had to modify the intake to fit the airflow sensor as there was no where to put it. I've not heard anyone mentin it before!!

I'll need to get pics up, i've got them on my home pc and mobile but just now i'm at work and i wont be able to post them up until weekend :(

But as for the intake im really impressed - im not sure if i feel a big difference in performance - maybe as this is my only mod so far but it sure is loud.
 
jugbugz said:
Hey, I'm ordering a J's racing intake too!!!

hehe My supplier has tested this with the Top Fuel one and J's racing kicks ass. You can feel the increase. Apparently I've heard 5whp gains. But be sure to direct cold air somehow.
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nobodys ass can feel a 5whp difference.
 
a 5 whp kick noticable? lmao not possible
 
He didnt say he could feel a 5whp kick - he said that with the j's racing intake you can feel the increase. and on dyno there was a 5whp difference

So how can you tell between a good and a bad air intake if you cant feel the difference????? Because it will only be a few horsepower which you guys are saying you cant feel - which im not disagreeing but if you cant feel it without dynoing your car then you wont be able to tell the difference in air intakes
 
I guess you can't feel much it if it's just for within 1000rpm. But if it's throughout the whole rev range then not only does the hp go up but the torque... so if hp + torque goes up by 5 units throughout rev range then yes can feel it... how much? well just by putting my silencer on my cannon muffler will give you enough feel... Even changing headers on a stock car you can feel difference. we're not talking about turbos and besides how much can we expect from tuning N/A powered engines with a certain budget especially Type R engines.
 
jugbugz said:
I guess you can't feel much it if it's just for within 1000rpm. But if it's throughout the whole rev range then not only does the hp go up but the torque... so if hp + torque goes up by 5 units throughout rev range then yes can feel it... how much? well just by putting my silencer on my cannon muffler will give you enough feel... Even changing headers on a stock car you can feel difference. we're not talking about turbos and besides how much can we expect from tuning N/A powered engines with a certain budget especially Type R engines.
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i agree with what you say about the silencer, i think its a lot easier to notice when the car looses power, plus im guessnig my slincer is killing as much as 15-25whp so that would certainly be noticeable.


ManosEK9 said:
An EK9/DC2 owner feel that kick blinx, sorry but, your ass must be too soft......
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lol, if its 5whp and 5wtq through the whole rev range you miiiiight be able to feel it if your driving up hill or something like that, but just 5whp peak gain, you wont feel it...
 
blinx9900 said:
i agree with what you say about the silencer, i think its a lot easier to notice when the car looses power, plus im guessnig my slincer is killing as much as 15-25whp so that would certainly be noticeable.

lol, if its 5whp and 5wtq through the whole rev range you miiiiight be able to feel it if your driving up hill or something like that, but just 5whp peak gain, you wont feel it...
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What???? :wow: Come on blinx :blabla: , how can you say that a silencer can kill so much power? Are you claiming that a stock EK9 with a silencer can be beaten by a stock SiR having no silencer?? So, all that work done by Honda to EK4 to develop the EK9 goes to the garbage just for a silencer??? That's out of any logic. Also since you claim 15-25 Whp loss :shocked: why you say it will be just noticable?? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? 15-25 whp increase or decrease on this engine are day and night. Here we are speaking about huge upgrades to get that power from this engine!!! A silencer kills horsepower but it does not kill the car!!! I've removed mine recently and the difference was just noticable, the same like when I installed the HKS air filter, about 5 hp. Also blinx, if you drive your car every day then you can feel even the slight difference in its performance and I'm not talking about turbocharged EKs with massive power. Also, I agree, you cannot feel a kick from a 5 hp more, but as I said if you "know" your car well, you can feel the change.
 
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