blinx's official intake thread: which intake really is the best? i answer it.


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blinx's official guide: which intake really is the best? i answer it.

So I’ve been thinking lately, a lot of people ask which intake (induction) setup is best, there are a lot of great ones like: mugen, aem, arc, j's, etc... And we always wonder which is better, which is best, that’s always the question "which is best" well im going to answer that, well kind of ;)

Before I go on I just want to say this is not a debate about brand, nor is it a debate about cold air feeds vs short intakes etc...

just like cams, an induction kits performance will depend on other mods, for example if you buy an AEM intake for you civic you may think its great when the motor is stock, but later if you build the motor up it may become restrictive, intake systems like (exhaust systems) are mostly designed for stock to mildly modified vehicles after all they are designed on stock vehicles and all the research and development is done on a stock vehicle.

So now we have a problem, we have an intake that was designed for a stock car, or perhaps a mildly modded car, like with just header/exhaust/decat/ecu. What happens when you get that stroker kit or a ported head, or maybe some cams, or even all of those, then what intake do you use? Well here is the simple answer: you go custom, seriously it’s not as hard as you think.

Most intakes are 2.25" and that works great for a stock motor, but for a motor that has a lot of mods like cams or whatever something bigger is in order, I personally have found that a 3" pipe works A LOT better for most b series engines. just like I described velocity in regards to exhaust flow in my exhaust thread which can be seen here: http://www.ek9.org/forum/air-intake...velocity-backpressure-all-explained-here.html intake flow can be described the same, a smaller pipe will give you that ideal velocity at a lower rpm, a larger pipe will give you ideal velocity at higher rpm. Pipe length also plays a role, a longer intake pipe will give you more top end power while a shorter pipe will give you a little midrange boost, anyways im sure there is some complicated math formula to decide the perfect length and diameter for your intake pipe but im not going to get into all of that.

So now the true answer is there is no such thing as "the best intake" only a good set up for what you have. I personally think most people on this forum will benefit most from a 3" pipe with a velocity stack and filter on the end.

Velocity stacks can be found here:
http://www.bpinitiatives.com/products.html
BLOX Aluminum Velocity Stack - JHPUSA.COM Serving JDM Since 1999

For the BPI stack you can use k&n filter part number RF-1048, the blox stack has a filter that can be purchased with it also made by blox, im not sure if the rf-1048 filter will fit on the blox stack but it should.

as far as getting a 3" intake pipe you can have one made for you, its simple, if you cant have one made you can always buy a cheap short intake made for a usdm 99 Honda civic SI or EX off eBay (usually $40) and use the pipe from that as long as its 3".

Average cost of doing this is $150 (50 for the pipe, 50 for the filter, and 50 for the velocity stack) or less which is cheaper than most intake kits and better in my opinion.

I personally used the BPI velocity stack with the K&N RF-1048 filter when I was NA and I really liked it, blox now makes aluminum versions of that velocity stack for very cheap, I have posted up links to both above.

well I hope you guys find this a little bit helpful and may help your search for the best intake.
 
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the tip of the J's intake where the filter fits onto is 4in wide :D

Idealy the intake pipes should be bigger than your exhuast diameter pipes to reduce air drag :nice: your correct!
 
do you think these supercharged air filters make a diff or are the just bollocks? cheers
 
Just bein looking the that site u posted blink an saw a this TWM 2000 Series B16A/Type R Indivdual Throttle Bodies 50mm. What is your oppinion on these that do away with all the filter an inlet pipe?
 
Just bein looking the that site u posted blink an saw a this TWM 2000 Series B16A/Type R Indivdual Throttle Bodies 50mm. What is your oppinion on these that do away with all the filter an inlet pipe?

for an all out race car that spends its whole life between 7500-9500rpm with a built motor its great.

for a street car, even with a built motor a properly built custome intake manifold will make more power in the midrange, perhaps a few hp less up top, its safer since you have a filter, and it costs a lot cheaper too :nice:

so basically what im saying is: itb is for built motor in a track car only.
 
blinx what do you think about the mugen intake?

For me is the best intake in the world :D
 
blinx what do you think about the mugen intake?

For me is the best intake in the world :D

it certainly does not give the most power, for a near stock or mild build engine its great, for a fully built or race engine i think it may become restrictive but i have no experience to be sure. companies like mugen and spoon dont have maximum hp as there goal, they consider noise and reliability as well so they may sacrifice a few hp...
 
for an all out race car that spends its whole life between 7500-9500rpm with a built motor its great.

for a street car, even with a built motor a properly built custome intake manifold will make more power in the midrange, perhaps a few hp less up top, its safer since you have a filter, and it costs a lot cheaper too :nice:

so basically what im saying is: itb is for built motor in a track car only.

While I won't contest the fact that all out race motors will benefit most from having ITBs installed, the theory that ITBs should only be for high strung, extremely narrow powerbands is not true.

ITBs, have the benefit of adjusting the intake length as well as the intake diameter (length being easier because, one can buy different air horns - diameter you would have to bore)

A properly tuned ITB setup will give you all the advantages of custom built intake manifold PLUS the added benefit of superior throttle response - as a bonus, you get quite possibly the meanest intake noise too!

As an example:
Long Block:
'00 SI B16A2
CTR PCT pistoins w/ honda rings std. bore (81mm)
ARP rod Bolts
ARP head studs
OEM head gasket, used 1 piece
Comptech Machine Street port w/ full radius valve job
ITR intake Valves
Portflow springs and retainers
Skunk Stage 2 cams and gears
ITR Intake manifold ported by Comptech Machine
ITR throttle body
MemoryFab J's style CarbonFiber Intake
Toda header
STr fuel rail
RC 310cc Injectors
CTR N-1 crank Pulley

This motor isn't by all means an extreme build.

The dyno chart:
dynographwil.jpg

-The line in blue is a set of Toda ITBs vs. the fully tuned map running an AEM intake before. One should note there were essentially no gains at the very top end, and if one were to compare ONLY the max hp numbers, you could say ITBs were not worth the money at all...but look at that massive gained area under the curve!

There exists enclosures from pipercross/ITG and several other companies that would enable you to run a single cone filter for filtration or you can sacrifice a few bhp by using the intake "socks" on each individual stack.
 
Ofcourse ITBs is the best of the best providing that it has a well built plenum providing cold air. But sooooo damn expensive like 10x more than other intakes, but it's well worth it if your serious about every last drop of power.

I mean, all Ferraris, M cars, Lambo, high performance etc cars use ITB with plenum. :eek:
 
RagingAngel while i understand what your saying, i would still like to see a comparison of itb's vs. a custom built intake manifold specific to that engine like the ones endyn builds... thats what im comparing itb's too in my previous post, not a ported stock itr manifold... also the aem intake on that itr manifold is not really an ideal setup either, there usually 2.25" which is pretty small

i still think a custom intake manifold with a 3 inch pipe and velocity stack + filter would prove to be the best overall...
 
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