Any comments for ARC intake box?


this is turning into a honda-tech thread really quickly to the op: I'd go with the ARC, but what are your overall power goals for the car?
 
blinx9900 said:
if your dumb enough to think that a stock motor can spin to 11000rpm with just a crank girdle your a moron and have no right to argue with me, end of story.

im not wasting my time and reading your useless rantings. you have extreme opinions, i disagree with them, i have dynoed many cars before and after mods. i know what an intake does. here is something i typed for you on another thread, you must of not read it yet:

wow, only dictators think if you dont agree you dont understand. i understand what your saying, i just disagree, and ive past the point were i will try to change someones mind over a 4-6whp mod when they have such an extreme opinion. you say its from your own "experience" and "study" arent you 18? please explain your experience and study, id really like to know, here is mine in case your wondering:

im 24 (working on hondas since 17) ive read over a thousand automotive magazines over the past few years, i have 10 boxes full of mags in my garage, i have spend coutless hours online reading tech disucssions (objectively),i am a Mechanical Engineering student, i have been working at a performance shop for many years, that same shop built and tunned the WOLRDS first fwd 10second full interior civic. we currently own the fastest evo on the west coast, and weve been building and tunning honda/acura's for over 12years, i have been present for over 100 dyno tunning sessions, i have seen many different mods dyno'd including atleast 20 intakes after the pipe was heatsoaked and i can tell you they still increase whp.

your just too extreme imo, to say that an intake is useless just because it sucks up hot air is not true, roots type superchargers blow extremely hot air and still manage to add 50whp to a honda. my point is even though the air is hot it still has more oxygen becuase its MORE air.

im not trying to be an a-hole and argue with you all the time, sometimes you are right, but then sometimes you take it too far. and those are the times i respond.
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You think i'm 18?

don't know where you got that from...I'm a year older than you mate.

I don't have time to argue with you... just do what you think to your experience... don't like the sound of it? keep it friendly mate..

Liek I said, everyone has different opinions. I've many experience with superchargers... What you say about the root type is true but don't you forget that root type superchargers only promote lower end and mid range power. Which is when hot air becomes useless in high rpm's due to lack of oxygen.. learn from an experienced tuner around you mate...

There are 3 different types of superchargers incase you didn't know... just try turbo charging your b16b without an intercooler and see how that goes? LOL... man you just don't get how much temperature affects torque. You said it yourself about your firm making crazy cars etc, and you still talk like heat is nothing?

Theres an EVO in Australia which is the fastest and runs on dry ice.. The temperature of the air in the box is about -30 degrees celcius and by the time it goes into the intake it's still about -4 degrees celcius... This one makes over 1000hp at flywheel. Why don't you share your opinons with them?

You don't get the fact that tuners around the world all TUNE DIFFERENTLY and have different opinions.. doesn't mean where you work everyone should follow.. geez

20 whp increase with an intake?? yeh, only i your country... and definetly not on a stock N/A 4 cyl... V8 would be close.
Put a cold air intake and see the differnece on a dyno on the torque figures and mid range and compare....

Any of your fast cars in your workplace could make more power and go quicker WITH a CAI. Ok?
 
oh yeah, your dynos overthere are reading an extra 10% more than ours incase you didn't know...
 
jugbugz said:
oh yeah, your dynos overthere are reading an extra 10% more than ours incase you didn't know...
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Thats true, every dyno will gives different numbers! Specially that climate / altitude varies all around the world :D
 
jugbugz said:
keep it friendly mate..

learn from an experienced tuner around you mate...

There are 3 different types of superchargers incase you didn't know...
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you tell me to keep it friendly and then tell me to go learn from some one else? how hipocritical, i understand what your saying, im not argueing that cold air is denser and has more oxygen per volume, what im trying to say is that if you have a small amount of cold air (stock intake) and a large amount of hot air (short ram intake) it is actually possible to have more oxygen in the hot air due to the fact that there is a larger quantity.

and about the supercharger thing, you must have not seen this thread, i did a pretty decent wirte up about the 3 and how each once compares to a turbo, check it out, its a good read.

http://www.ek9.org/forum/showthread.php?t=498&highlight=turbo
 
jugbugz said:
oh yeah, your dynos overthere are reading an extra 10% more than ours incase you didn't know...
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why would that be? and it dosent really matter, if i test a motor stock and then moded on the same dyno and same conditions it will still be accurate. dyno is a tool for tunning, not braging max hp and tq. its not really a measuring tool unless you are measuring using the same dyno and condtions everytime.
 
I'm pretty sure your dyno's over US read about 15% power train loss right?

Ours here is 25%

We mostly use dyno dynamics brand and I assume dynojets are mostly used there.

There has been countless times and forums with people here and there argue about this... Countless examples etc.

stock B16B would only get about 138-140 whp. E46 M3's over US get 300 whp stock where as here we get 260whp. We run 98 octane here... and 91 as standard fuel. Eastern states got 100 octane.
 
I've read many of those FI articles and have even proven my mechanic worng when he was telling me how the exhaust would not affect boost pressure on the intake.

He gave me a book all about FI and how engines work etc... and I found a page where I proved him wrong.. lol

My assumption was based on physics and were right!

Oh that evo I was talking about making 1000hp+, the system he got basically makes his engine feel like it's running in antartica... pretty crazy... does 7's or low 8's. can't remember..
 
JayH said:
Oh come guys. Let us keep the debates friendly. :eek:

Its currently too late and Im too tired to read all that, but here's the picture
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The material (Plastic) led me to believe its not Mugen. Turns out that the design is pretty much totally different as well, this is more like a CAI for a pod filter. Prior to checking it out I had not read up on the Mugen intake, so I only barely remembered it from looking at pictures.

Im not sure where this came from, or how it performs...


Spoonson, if you can get a Mugen replica (with the air ram design and velocity stack) for a good price, I'd say go for it. Or the real deal if you'd like to support the team. :eek:
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Nice intake.. atleast it does it's job :nice:
 
jugbugz said:
I'm pretty sure your dyno's over US read about 15% power train loss right?

Ours here is 25%

We mostly use dyno dynamics brand and I assume dynojets are mostly used there.

There has been countless times and forums with people here and there argue about this... Countless examples etc.

stock B16B would only get about 138-140 whp. E46 M3's over US get 300 whp stock where as here we get 260whp. We run 98 octane here... and 91 as standard fuel. Eastern states got 100 octane.
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makes sense, yeah lots of people use dynojets (both models) and dynapacks. i know the dynapacks read a lot higher.
 
i have just bough an arc box a sim after throttle response and some small ganis and i think it loks the nuts, but i always question this hot air feed debate as thats where standard air box gets its air supply, i agrre not a smuch as an open filter but none the less the intake for the standard box is in the engine bay, ill let you know how i get on with the arc box
 
yeh, theres heaps of debates about this intake. It sure does look damn HOT! but...

Theres a lot of faults like the tiny plenum that sits in between the TB and AIR BOX, the design doesn't promote FLOW, more like turbulance, SPOON made the CF Air pipe for a reason to promote flow.

Another is the fliter sitting right under the bonnet, where your bonnet seal seals up the bonnet to let no air flow there.

And the Metal box being a heat soaker.

I don't know mate, you should let us know how it goes, but for sure the Throttle response will go up. Also check to see if the box heats up after a normal 20min drive. Stock box is made from thermal plastic.
 
it doesnt get hot at all ive checked a few times, so im hapy there and as said before the top filter gets air form same place as standard as the standard air intake sucks air from between bonnet and headlight i believe well thats how iit looks anyway upon inspection and bottom filter will have cold air feed to it when i get chance.
I also have the intake chamber it just all needs a clean and a bracket made up to make it sit perfect but response does seem slightly better and ive just fitted some new filters so lets see how it goes and ill let you know if any better with cold air feed, cant wait to get it clean ahve to get it all ready for japfest
 
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