Any comments for ARC intake box?

[Spoonson]

I'm new to this forum and would like to say hi to all of you.

As title, any? Thanks!

 

[jugbugz]

Hi, Welcome... You should have intro on intro tread.. hehe

ARC is a BIG FAT Heat Soaker... The worst of the worst... Looks great!!! but nooooooooo.... even a pod filter would do better.

Your stock air box is really the best heat shield. Look on another thread about intakes..

 

[Spoonson]

Hi, Welcome... You should have intro on intro tread.. hehe

ARC is a BIG FAT Heat Soaker... The worst of the worst... Looks great!!! but nooooooooo.... even a pod filter would do better.

Your stock air box is really the best heat shield. Look on another thread about intakes..

Dang! I was planning to get one tomorrow, and this definitely holds me back. I tried to read all the threads under Air Intake but found nth about the ARC intake box.

More information if possible?

 

[jugbugz]

Dang! I was planning to get one tomorrow, and this definitely holds me back. I tried to read all the threads under Air Intake but found nth about the ARC intake box.

More information if possible?

Yeah, you will find more in S2000 forums.
The whole air box is made from metal so as the engine bay gets hot, it soaks up the heat and creates a heated air box... LOL

S2000 owners have used this and changed to Cold Air Intake and have found big differences.

The red panel you see on the ARC is the filter, which pretty much just sucks up air under the bonnet. That air will have to go past the radiator first and decreases the density which means less oxygen. Cold Air = higher density = more oxygen = more torque.

Stock air box beats that by far.

Read the following threads below in this area about intake advice.

you will save more money.

 

[jugbugz]

Mugen Intake is good. Thats all I can think of when it comes to direct bolt on and leave it. But expensive... check out the forum for more on intakes.

 

[JayH]

I have a Mugen intake. It makes a weird turbulance noise when not at full acceleration.

It could be a replica though.

 

[blinx9900]

i dont think anybody makes a replica of the mugen intake, if you know of a place please tell me

arc is good imo, who cares about heat soak the arc box was designed for throttle response and it does that very well. it also sucks in MORE air than the stock box so it still makes more power, even when heat soaked. most metal intakes are aluminum, aluminum is known to disapate heat very quickly so once you get moving the thing cools down but if you stop pull over and touch it then it will feel hot because it absorbs heat quickly aswell. basically what im saying is dont listen to jugbugz all he does is read and regurgitate information without thinking about it (man ive been wanting to say that for a while).

 

[Spoonson]

I can find the replica of mugen intake in here. But it isn't in cf material.

Anyways, thanks blinx for the information. I heard many ppl saying how good the mugen intake is in different forums, also the AEM or other US brand is good too. Unfortunately, I can't get it here, and the Mugen intake is talking about usd400 for a used, thus I'm thinking of ARC. As long as it is performing better than the HKS air filter, i think i would get it.

PEACE~

 

[blinx9900]

apexi makes a really nice filter too, ive seen just the filter on a stock pipe add 6whp!!

 

[Spoonson]

so do you mean may be i can stick with my hks filter if this is not necessary?

any comments for hks filter then?

 

[blinx9900]

i like the hks unit, i would just keep it if you have it, spend the money on something else before spending the money on something you already have, thats the philosophy i try to follow. id save up and buy some cams

 

[JayH]

After an inspection mine is *definately* not mugen. Not even a replica. The air intake hose and buffer sizes are quite very different, and no velocity stack either. I just got the car and this came with it, so pardon my nubishness.

I guess Ill be searching for a stock airbox or J's Racing style intake... this one's got plenty of variations, and in prices too. Alternatively I can source a used Mugen intake for $300 but thats too much money IMO to blow on an air intake...

 

[blinx9900]

After an inspection mine is *definately* not mugen. Not even a replica. The air intake hose and buffer sizes are quite very different, and no velocity stack either. I just got the car and this came with it, so pardon my nubishness.

I guess Ill be searching for a stock airbox or J's Racing style intake... this one's got plenty of variations, and in prices too. Alternatively I can source a used Mugen intake for $300 but thats too much money IMO to blow on an air intake...

 

[jugbugz]

i dont think anybody makes a replica of the mugen intake, if you know of a place please tell me

arc is good imo, who cares about heat soak the arc box was designed for throttle response and it does that very well. it also sucks in MORE air than the stock box so it still makes more power, even when heat soaked. most metal intakes are aluminum, aluminum is known to disapate heat very quickly so once you get moving the thing cools down but if you stop pull over and touch it then it will feel hot because it absorbs heat quickly aswell. basically what im saying is dont listen to jugbugz all he does is read and regurgitate information without thinking about it (man ive been wanting to say that for a while).

regurgitate?? hahahhahha

you judge me over a comment i made like "I thought I read it somewhere" about Spoon's 11,000rpm ek9? Mate I said I thought, not I know.

mate, why don't you think carefully about an engine bay with a bonnet and bonnet seal on and heat thats emmiting from 1. engine 2. exhuast header 3. radiator 4. air entering through radiator. 5. The ARC metal box soaking up the heat. 6. intake panel filter located right where the bonnet is.

After the air enters from the radiator and absorbed by the heat inside the engine and passes through the filter, air box, throttle body and inlet manifold, guess whats the temperature of the air? Me think about it?

you need to go back to your books on physics and science and understand how you get less oxygen particles from hot air than cold air..
More Air, More Power? Yes, but did you think about this?! Cold air creates a LEANER combustion due to the increased amount of oxygen particles(dense)per volume which would in turn make more power and burn efficiently.. Hot air has less oxygen particles(less dense)per voloume which wouldn't burn as efficient and lean as cold air. What don't you understand?

If the ARC was intaking air directly from outside and NOT inside the ENGINE BAY then what you said about the air moving won't get much affected makes sense... right? Air does not cool itself by flowing through a heat emmiter and into the engine bay with heat emmiters and soakers everywhere. Also air moving increases its temp as it can absorb heat. Thats why short ram pod filter is better than ARC.

And cold air intakes comes into affect in high rpms due to the need of more oxygen to burn LEAN. Thats where Pod filters in engine bay sucks when more OXYGEN is needed.

More pipes for cold air intake also which will restrict the instantaneous flow of induction which is why increase of response isn't felt. Short ram intakes have very short pipes, in turn creates quicker induction which promotes response and power in lower mid rpms where also less oxygen is needed compared to high rpms.

Cold air intake's also have the advantage of creating a ram effect if installed properly.

more air, more power? NO... more like more oxygen, more power...

Loss of Torque is the major effect of hot air... and everyone knows and feels that the car goes faster at night time then in day time. Power is nothing without torque. And it's easier for humans to breathe cold air than hot air, why? cold air has more oxygen cells per volume.

but mate, saying "basically what im saying is dont listen to jugbugz all he does is read and regurgitate information without thinking about it" aint right... I could say you sound like you think you know it all and that everyone should just go to you for questions ...give me a break... this wouldn't be a forum anymore... it'd be a questions to blinx9900 only forum ... save your judgementalness...

Everyone here has different opinions based on their driving style. I based mine on the Street because it's where I use it more. Your's might be for track...which would suit trackers.

It's more important that each user get the correct advise according to what they want to do with their cars. Not about peak power which only looks good on paper but drive like Crap with no pulling power(torque) at all until last few 1000 rpms. Thats why I emphasize my opinions based on the street for those seeking for street using advise. Why would you want to drive a car thats made for the track or drags on the street???

My 50 cents...

 

[jugbugz]

oh yeah, and why do you think SPOON hasn't made an intake box for their cars and stick to the stock one?

I haven't seen any of the famous tuners running a pod filter in an engine bay and drawing heated air passing through the radiator.

Check out the ARC vs J's RACING. This was the guy who swapped the ARC over for a REAL Cold air intake and realised power and torque gains THROUGHOUT rpms.

Increasing 5 peak horsepower within just 1000rpm is nothing compared to increasing 3hp from low mid range throughout to top end, and you'll get some torque increased throughout as a bonus.

if you want a filter for All show no go, then get ARC. But why not have Both with something like J's RACING on S2K.

And if your going to ask me why would ARC create something so stupid, then my answer is; because they can't afford to create proper piping to induct air fresh from outside. They will make loss. This is where you DIY. But man, ARC is not a good based to start with...

 

[JayH]

Oh come guys. Let us keep the debates friendly.

Its currently too late and Im too tired to read all that, but here's the picture

The material (Plastic) led me to believe its not Mugen. Turns out that the design is pretty much totally different as well, this is more like a CAI for a pod filter. Prior to checking it out I had not read up on the Mugen intake, so I only barely remembered it from looking at pictures.

Im not sure where this came from, or how it performs...


Spoonson, if you can get a Mugen replica (with the air ram design and velocity stack) for a good price, I'd say go for it. Or the real deal if you'd like to support the team.

 

[blinx9900]

regurgitate?? hahahhahha

you judge me over a comment i made like "I thought I read it somewhere" about Spoon's 11,000rpm ek9? Mate I said I thought, not I know.

mate, why don't you think carefully about an engine bay with a bonnet and bonnet seal on and heat thats emmiting from 1. engine 2. exhuast header 3. radiator 4. air entering through radiator. 5. The ARC metal box soaking up the heat. 6. intake panel filter located right where the bonnet is.

After the air enters from the radiator and absorbed by the heat inside the engine and passes through the filter, air box, throttle body and inlet manifold, guess whats the temperature of the air? Me think about it?

you need to go back to your books on physics and science and understand how you get less oxygen particles from hot air than cold air..
More Air, More Power? Yes, but did you think about this?! Cold air creates a LEANER combustion due to the increased amount of oxygen particles(dense)per volume which would in turn make more power and burn efficiently.. Hot air has less oxygen particles(less dense)per voloume which wouldn't burn as efficient and lean as cold air. What don't you understand?

If the ARC was intaking air directly from outside and NOT inside the ENGINE BAY then what you said about the air moving won't get much affected makes sense... right? Air does not cool itself by flowing through a heat emmiter and into the engine bay with heat emmiters and soakers everywhere. Also air moving increases its temp as it can absorb heat. Thats why short ram pod filter is better than ARC.

And cold air intakes comes into affect in high rpms due to the need of more oxygen to burn LEAN. Thats where Pod filters in engine bay sucks when more OXYGEN is needed.

More pipes for cold air intake also which will restrict the instantaneous flow of induction which is why increase of response isn't felt. Short ram intakes have very short pipes, in turn creates quicker induction which promotes response and power in lower mid rpms where also less oxygen is needed compared to high rpms.

Cold air intake's also have the advantage of creating a ram effect if installed properly.

more air, more power? NO... more like more oxygen, more power...

Loss of Torque is the major effect of hot air... and everyone knows and feels that the car goes faster at night time then in day time. Power is nothing without torque. And it's easier for humans to breathe cold air than hot air, why? cold air has more oxygen cells per volume.

but mate, saying "basically what im saying is dont listen to jugbugz all he does is read and regurgitate information without thinking about it" aint right... I could say you sound like you think you know it all and that everyone should just go to you for questions ...give me a break... this wouldn't be a forum anymore... it'd be a questions to blinx9900 only forum ... save your judgementalness...

Everyone here has different opinions based on their driving style. I based mine on the Street because it's where I use it more. Your's might be for track...which would suit trackers.

It's more important that each user get the correct advise according to what they want to do with their cars. Not about peak power which only looks good on paper but drive like Crap with no pulling power(torque) at all until last few 1000 rpms. Thats why I emphasize my opinions based on the street for those seeking for street using advise. Why would you want to drive a car thats made for the track or drags on the street???

My 50 cents...

if your dumb enough to think that a stock motor can spin to 11000rpm with just a crank girdle your a moron and have no right to argue with me, end of story.

im not wasting my time and reading your useless rantings. you have extreme opinions, i disagree with them, i have dynoed many cars before and after mods. i know what an intake does. here is something i typed for you on another thread, you must of not read it yet:

wow, only dictators think if you dont agree you dont understand. i understand what your saying, i just disagree, and ive past the point were i will try to change someones mind over a 4-6whp mod when they have such an extreme opinion. you say its from your own "experience" and "study" arent you 18? please explain your experience and study, id really like to know, here is mine in case your wondering:

im 24 (working on hondas since 17) ive read over a thousand automotive magazines over the past few years, i have 10 boxes full of mags in my garage, i have spend coutless hours online reading tech disucssions (objectively),i am a Mechanical Engineering student, i have been working at a performance shop for many years, that same shop built and tunned the WOLRDS first fwd 10second full interior civic. we currently own the fastest evo on the west coast, and weve been building and tunning honda/acura's for over 12years, i have been present for over 100 dyno tunning sessions, i have seen many different mods dyno'd including atleast 20 intakes after the pipe was heatsoaked and i can tell you they still increase whp.

your just too extreme imo, to say that an intake is useless just because it sucks up hot air is not true, roots type superchargers blow extremely hot air and still manage to add 50whp to a honda. my point is even though the air is hot it still has more oxygen becuase its MORE air.

im not trying to be an a-hole and argue with you all the time, sometimes you are right, but then sometimes you take it too far. and those are the times i respond.

 

[rvm]

Come on guys lets debate in a friendly manner

I've a friend with one, he felt a better throttle response, and the vtec sound was awesome, he changed it for a TOP FUEL one, and in his opinion he felt the TOP FUEL one better, hope this helps

 

[SpoonCTR]

We dynoed the ARC against the OEM EK9 intake "Box" The difference was only 1 hp, my mugen intake gave me 6 hp hope this info helps.

 

[Dino-Spumoni]

I've said it in the other recent intake thread, but short ram intakes like this ARC dont suck, you just need to make sure it has a cold air source. You can route some cheap dryer vent piping to the intake, or have some sort of hood scoop, or the best way being a fully enclosed filter attached to a cold air tube, just like the mugen or comptech system.