used spoon calipers


ek9osaka said:
JT - Some people, like myself, like the idea that this company has committed their entire career to HONDA tuning. That is a very nice thought. A lot of the research and products these guys do/release, is later copied/mimicked by other companies around the world.
Morally, I like to support these types of companies when possible...
They probably never claim to be the best 'value for money' brand. This is not the point.
The point is, that SPOON brakes were made specifically for the Honda EK/DC, and the brand has a very, very, very strong reputation for making quality parts time and time again..
Yes you pay more, but for some people, it is an easier choice than for others.
I think the SPOONs are pretty close to a real 'factory upgrade', made by Nissin in Japan, and spec'd by a company who has a deep history and strong relationship with Honda.
When it comes to 'value for money', I think most people will agree that stock calipers are enough, with good rotors and good pads, good fresh fluid, even for track work.
I am slapping on my Spoons next week! ;)
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my thoughts exactly
 
JDMDingo...are you Australian living in Japan? I am just going off the 'dingo' name....
I am in Osaka, from Geelong, originally.....
 
No ****?! I was in Elwood, St Kilda and Box Hill for the last 8 years before moving to Osaka.....
Any luck finding some more SPOONs?? There are not too many around, I guess....and they fetch big money in Japan, too.
 
My sister lives in heidleberg....I've only seen that one set on Yahoo auctions....and yanks want way too much on ebay. I get paid in US dollars so the yen rate is killing me, if it was like it was when I first came to Japan in 2007 I would buy 2 sets direct from Spoon.
 
It is worth talking to those who've tried both on their cars, Spoon and Wilwood. I know there's a few out there.
Yes, brakes are somewhat a fine art in development, and it's something we (at FreakyParts) try to do best. We are able to offer kits designed around your specific requirements whether it be a direct bolt on kit, or a larger kit to ensure the extra power you've got can be leashed.

One thing with the Wilwood kit many dont realise is they are available will 4 options with the pistons.
You can either have them with 31.8, 35.1, 38.1 or 44.5mm diameter pistons.
The Spoons come with either 38.3 or 40.5mm diameter pistons (mono/twinblocks)
The standard EK9 caliper has a 57.2mm diameter piston.
Given those specs, the closest match in Spoon calipers would be the twin block (2578mm^2) or the Wilwood calipers with 38.1mm pistons. (2280mm^2)

But... and here's the interesting part. Having supplied both of these calipers (38.1 and 44.5mm), the majority of customers actually prefer the larger pistons. The feedback is more about the pedal feel. For the first 1-200 miles, the reports are of what feels like a spongy pedal, but in reality it's just a slightly longer pedal travel.
After the bedding in has been completed, the majority of customers actually prefer the extra travel as it translates into a better range of application.
If you go for a caliper with similar, or smaller piston area than your original single piston has then you'll have what initally looks like a more responsive pedal becuase it goes from first touch to lock up quicker (the better clamping force from the extra pistons, the better pad coverage etc) but in reality all you've done is reduce the amount of lever you have on the pedal.

On the other hand some people want that, so that's what we supply :)

If you get the opertunity, give them a run, and see how they feel, as brake upgrades can feel as different as jumping out of your car and getting in a Micra with their massively over assisted brakes. You think they're fantastic, far better than your car, until you start using them in anger and find yourself hitting the ABS all the time.

I do have to agree though, branded Spoon calipers are very expensive for what they are, when you can get something that is at least 90% as good (or even better for some people) for 50% of the price tag :D
 
maybe if you guys want a cheaper brake upgrade you can try the NSX front calipers too? Still uses the same shape brake pad as dc2/ek9.
 
It's not a 4 pot upgrade though... still the sliding caliper setup. There are plenty of options that start around £200 and go up, but for an brand new kit, with a 1 year warranty, there's not much that comes close to the Wilwood setup.
 
FreakyParts said:
It's not a 4 pot upgrade though... still the sliding caliper setup.
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They are smaller than the 282 calipers too. Closer to the 262s in fact.

FreakyParts said:
There are plenty of options that start around £200 and go up, but for an brand new kit, with a 1 year warranty, there's not much that comes close to the Wilwood setup.
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Definitely the best brand new bang per buck upgrade around at the moment. :nice:
 
NSX's? I have them as 40/36, might be a difference between the two models though.
 
Seen conficting specs. Some sites say one, some suggest the other.
Even so, that's tiny!
It goes back to the "feel of the pedal" you get from smaller overall piston size. Yes they may feel more responsive, but there's not as much leverage available from the pedal.
 
Mid engined car though, needs less front brake.
 
Ah right. Possibly, however on OEM pads it would put the bias backwards a bit, which would improve stopping distances at the expense of having to push a bit harder, plus it would also allow you to use more aggressive pads without sending the bias too far forwards, so not all bad.
 
FreakyParts said:
It is worth talking to those who've tried both on their cars, Spoon and Wilwood. I know there's a few out there.
Yes, brakes are somewhat a fine art in development, and it's something we (at FreakyParts) try to do best. We are able to offer kits designed around your specific requirements whether it be a direct bolt on kit, or a larger kit to ensure the extra power you've got can be leashed.

One thing with the Wilwood kit many dont realise is they are available will 4 options with the pistons.
You can either have them with 31.8, 35.1, 38.1 or 44.5mm diameter pistons.
The Spoons come with either 38.3 or 40.5mm diameter pistons (mono/twinblocks)
The standard EK9 caliper has a 57.2mm diameter piston.
Given those specs, the closest match in Spoon calipers would be the twin block (2578mm^2) or the Wilwood calipers with 38.1mm pistons. (2280mm^2)

But... and here's the interesting part. Having supplied both of these calipers (38.1 and 44.5mm), the majority of customers actually prefer the larger pistons. The feedback is more about the pedal feel. For the first 1-200 miles, the reports are of what feels like a spongy pedal, but in reality it's just a slightly longer pedal travel.
After the bedding in has been completed, the majority of customers actually prefer the extra travel as it translates into a better range of application.
If you go for a caliper with similar, or smaller piston area than your original single piston has then you'll have what initally looks like a more responsive pedal becuase it goes from first touch to lock up quicker (the better clamping force from the extra pistons, the better pad coverage etc) but in reality all you've done is reduce the amount of lever you have on the pedal.

On the other hand some people want that, so that's what we supply :)

If you get the opertunity, give them a run, and see how they feel, as brake upgrades can feel as different as jumping out of your car and getting in a Micra with their massively over assisted brakes. You think they're fantastic, far better than your car, until you start using them in anger and find yourself hitting the ABS all the time.

I do have to agree though, branded Spoon calipers are very expensive for what they are, when you can get something that is at least 90% as good (or even better for some people) for 50% of the price tag :D
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Kozy came up with a very interesting invention; making the oem brake booster adjustable. I call it the "Kozy Adjuster". The "Kozy Adjuster" allows micro-adjustment of how much vacuum is used in the booster by bleeding off excess vacuum. Allowing the user to adjust the pedal feel to their liking, one twist at a time.

I have installed this Kozy Adjuster and LOVE it! Its under $100 USD to build and its easy to install.
 

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i have used both spoon calipers and wilwood superlight calipers on an ek9 and without a shadow of a doubt the spoon win hands down dfo me in terms of feel and and pure stopping power. put it this way the spoon calipers were better than the brembos on my evo lol
 
Interesting post.
Which Superlite caliper kit did you use? As I'd be interested to know what sized pistons were fitted.

The pistons in the Evo Brembos are (from what I can find) 40/46mm, which means there's a lot of fluid to move around. I've driven Evos and they're brakes are immense, but they need a good stamp on them.

The feel of the brakes is usually directly related to the piston size. The smaller the pistons, the more responsive the brakes will appear, but it's giving you less pedal travel so you dont have as much movement before lockup.
 
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