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jay01704

jay01704

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hi all never used your site before but was on google having a look for ansews to my questions and your site came up ive had a look round and thought you guys can point me in the right direction as youknow what your talking about unlike most of the numptys ive come across.
anyways now to the problem i currently have a turboed b16a2 which ive managed to destroy it had standard internals head work and lots of bolt on parts injectors ect now after all the time and effort ave put into this i just want to burn it or start again and do it proper.:angry2: my spec is
GReddy TD05 Turbo
GReddy Manifold
Hyper Sports De Cat Pipe
HKS Hiper Muffler
RC 320cc Injectors
Hyper Sports Front Mount Intercooler
Hyper Sports Intercooler Hard Pipes
Trust Induction Kit
Blitz Spec S Boost Controller
GReddy E Manage ECU
ap 4pots
tein suspension
oil catch tank
fidnaza flywheel
exeddy stage 2 clutch (as fried racing one far to quick and very pricey)
3core radiator(with fan switch wired permantly on as overheats how can i solve this)
currently i have a b18c4 bottom end which had the slightest of gap round 1 piston which i want to use as my base block.
b16a2 head which i want to use as ive being told its better?
b18c4 cams.
a few main points i want to know is
1)will my cams go straight into my head without any problems, and will i need to upgrade springs to suit ect
2)sleeve or not to sleeve and resons why
3)i have considered eagle rods and cp pistons with arp studs all round head and main also (any good)
4)standard b16crank or b18crank?
5)what headgasket rembering av had headwork if that counts?
6)map sensor upgrad needed?
i use this car for a mixture of track and road and would want a better bhp than i had before which was around 290.
to be hounest i think the maping was pants as was rich as hell and bosting somthing ridiculous for what it could handle.
all info much apricaited and please think when you post back that you might prefare somthing else for personal resons can we try work round what i have got but still your opions might change my thoughts so feel free to say lol.
thanks all.:thanks:
also forgot to mention have typ r lsd gearbox chose this one as had better ratio for turbo setup rather then teg shorter ratio
 
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sounds like you have a good base to work off! I'm sure the American contingent will be on soon to answer your questions when they are awake! :) :)
 
I will try Blinx!! - hope you dont mind Jay! :)

currently have a turboed b16a2 which ive managed to destroy, it had standard internals

spec:

GReddy TD05 Turbo
GReddy Manifold
Hyper Sports De Cat Pipe
HKS Hiper Muffler
RC 320cc Injectors
Hyper Sports Front Mount Intercooler
Hyper Sports Intercooler Hard Pipes
Trust Induction Kit
Blitz Spec S Boost Controller
GReddy E Manage ECU
ap 4pots
tein suspension
oil catch tank
fidnaza flywheel
exeddy stage 2 clutch
3core radiator
b18c4 bottom end
b16a2
b18c4 cams.

a few main points i want to know is
1)will cams fit into my head without any problems, and will i need to upgrade springs

2)sleeve or not to sleeve

3)i have considered eagle rods and cp pistons with arp studs all round head

4)standard b16crank or b18crank?

5)what headgasket

6)map sensor upgrad needed?

i use this car for a mixture of track and road and would want a better bhp than i had before which was around 290.

also forgot to mention have lsd gearbox . shorter ratio for turbo setup rather then teg shorter ratio?

thanks
 
ha iknow was long wasnt it thanks for shortening just didnt wanna miss anything out lol
bye way you 4got to mention the compliments i give the site lol part from that good job thanks
 
ramboteamjon said:
RC 320cc Injectors

GReddy E Manage ECU
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This is probably the main problem. The GReddy EManage is a wonderful piece of turd. The RCs are too small for your application too. You'd need to run some VERY high base pressure for it to feed 300bhp reliably. I'd recommend going to at least 550ccs, if your goal is mainly to be around 350bhp.

a few main points i want to know is
1)will cams fit into my head without any problems, and will i need to upgrade springs
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ITR cams will be a good setup for your desired power goals and you should upgrade to at least ITR/CTR intake/exhaust springs. Don't forget to replace the valveseals.

2)sleeve or not to sleeve
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Not necessary to sleeve

3)i have considered eagle rods and cp pistons with arp studs all round head
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Good choice considering you want to track it.

4)standard b16crank or b18crank?
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B16 crank will give less hp/trq which is just fine for your power goals. But since you have the 18C4 bottom end already just keep it.

5)what headgasket
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stock works just fine. Unless you skimmed the head/block or you happened to order the wrong pistons. 9:1 is generally what's good for boost. You could get away with 9.5:1 or even 10:1 if you have a competent tuner and octane higher than 94 since your power goals are modest.

6)map sensor upgrad needed?
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only if you intend to go over 10psi

also forgot to mention have lsd gearbox . shorter ratio for turbo setup rather then teg shorter ratio?
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A decent setup would be to run a tall MFactory 3.070 1st with the 18C4 2nd and 3-4-5 from the 16A with a 4.2xx final drive from the 18C4 as well (I think that's what they had?)
 
if i wanted to boost above 10psi and changed the sensor would everthing else still be o.k
and how come youneed to upgrade map sensor i think correct me if am wrong but i was boosting over that with standard one is this not bad?
 
anymore opions guys? i realy realy need a few to settle my mind as ive aredy blown one and i love my turbo honda to much to happen again
thanks
also thanks raging angel
 
jay01704 said:
if i wanted to boost above 10psi and changed the sensor would everthing else still be o.k
and how come youneed to upgrade map sensor i think correct me if am wrong but i was boosting over that with standard one is this not bad?
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well that was probably another problem...

the stock MAP sensor can only see about 10.7psi and that is also dependent on altitude as well.

So if you were boosting over 11psi as you state, errr... that's probably why the motor blew up.

I'm glad you're taking the time to ask around this time. If you were to run the eagle/cp pistons combo plus everything that was suggested in my last post, it should handle 15-20psi with no problems.

I advise that you get a proper engine management system such as a Hondata S300, Neptune, eCtune or hell, even crome will be FAR better than the Emanage poop.
 
yeh ive got to the last place just threw it together to be honest as i know alot more than i did when i first sorted it wanted to get othwer opinions.
the amount of people who have said emanege is turd is umbellievable you wouldnt think a company of such a high standard would produce such rubbish.
350bhpish is perfet in my eyes as anymore id have to start investing in traction control system more pennys lol. advice being great thanks mate.
 
good good glad two people vote on same advise things are on the up lol
so will not sleeving risk cracking the block? and would it not be worth doing forfuture refrence if i decide i want to go further that way i dont have to build my block again and it will just be bolt on bits and a tune?
also any thoughts on maybe upgradeing to bigger turbo? the one av got is wicked as theres no lag well next to none but dont know what it can hanle
sorry to mider
thanks guys
 
jay01704 said:
good good glad two people vote on same advise things are on the up lol
so will not sleeving risk cracking the block? and would it not be worth doing forfuture refrence if i decide i want to go further that way i dont have to build my block again and it will just be bolt on bits and a tune?
also any thoughts on maybe upgradeing to bigger turbo? the one av got is wicked as theres no lag well next to none but dont know what it can hanle
sorry to mider
thanks guys
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establish a power goal and we can better advise you, seems you are starting to change your mind a bit. Sleeves are good insurance and at some point are seriously worth considering. Let us know your ultimate plans and true intentions first though.

jay01704 said:
alsohow can i solve having to have fan switch wired permantly on
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unplug the switch and jump the connector with a piece of metal or wire.
 
blinx9900 said:
looks like RA has this on lock down, thank you ragingangel :nice:
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Just trying to pull my weight.... :p


blinx9900 said:
establish a power goal and we can better advise you, seems you are starting to change your mind a bit. Sleeves are good insurance and at some point are seriously worth considering. Let us know your ultimate plans and true intentions first though.
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I agree....if you have the means to build it once then do it with sleeves...otherwise if the budget doesn`t really allow for it, well, it`s not the end of the world either. Lots of big power numbers have been made reliably with stock sleeves.
 
im pretty hapy with 350bhp but if the fwd could handle it id go to around 450 my budget will go to whatever is needed as i dont want anuther blown engine so if i make the engine capable of a higher figer and in futre decide to go higher than the 350 id like the engine to be able to take it if that makes sense?
 
sorry blinx what i ment was i have fan switch wired how youve explained as that was only thing keeping my temp down and it does my head in the constant noise ive upgraded my rad and fan any toughts guys??
 
jay01704 said:
im pretty hapy with 350bhp but if the fwd could handle it id go to around 450 my budget will go to whatever is needed as i dont want anuther blown engine so if i make the engine capable of a higher figer and in futre decide to go higher than the 350 id like the engine to be able to take it if that makes sense?
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450bhp (382whp) is safe with factory sleeves without a doubt. I currently make 380bhp with factory sleeves and factory b18b pistons with factory b16a rods!!! However if road racing at least invest in some forged pistons/rods. I wish i built mine with forged pistons but it was simply out of the budget at the time.

jay01704 said:
sorry blinx what i ment was i have fan switch wired how youve explained as that was only thing keeping my temp down and it does my head in the constant noise ive upgraded my rad and fan any toughts guys??
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Sorry not sure what your question is here. If you upgraded your fan make sure its a quality unit like Spal as most other companies that offer cheap fans at $40 and claim high CFM numbers are pure crap. I at one point had my fan wired on also but there is no reason to have it on constantly. You need to address the issue. Consider using heat wrap on the downpipe to help combat the high enginebay temps or a turbo blanket if the budget allows. If you can i would wrap the manifold also.
 
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