The most from the b16b


webbie

webbie

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Hi
I notice on here there is a lot of 9 owners that either swap the b16b for a 18c or even a k20 are there many that just make the most from the standard b16b

Think that's what I intend to do
 
Why whats the point?

More money for less results.
 
Theres always the brownie point for actually having the original engine tuned !
 
Jrdn92 said:
Theres always the brownie point for actually having the original engine tuned !
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That doesn't actually mean anything though. Its just a mad irrational opinion some people have.

For any money spent on the B16B, the same money would be better spent on B18C/K20A2 ETC.
 
Some people might just want to keep the standard engine out the factory keep it original as possible, after all it's been designed for that car.
 
689R said:
That doesn't actually mean anything though. Its just a mad irrational opinion some people have.

For any money spent on the B16B, the same money would be better spent on B18C/K20A2 ETC.
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Much like people spending £6k on a 14yr old civic?
When they could buy a faster car for a lot less than that?
Not everything in the world is about money mate...
 
Think it depends on how much effort your willing to put in. if you only want to do little bits just to give you a bigger smile then keep with the B16 but if your really craving the power and are happy to make the effort then do the swap.

Obviously your going to get more power out the swaps, just means more effort its up to the owner IMO
 
depends on the invidiual, as mentioned before some people like to keep the car original as possible, others like to mod the car to their own preferences, either way the car ia awesome
 
'Some people want to keep the car as original as possible'

Yet the OP is asking about a fully built engine.

To me the point of spending money on an engine is to in general go faster, so if your going to spend any money at all, why not spend it on a superior option.

I just think the argument about keeping it original is ludicrous when contemplating building an engine especially when the only real difference is the code stamped into the block and circa 20lbsft of torque, which would be in your favour ha.


Jake123 said:
Not everything in the world is about money mate...
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Sorry man I didnt mean that its all about the money, I just mean spend 1000 pounds on a b18c and it will be a better result than 1000 spending on a B16b, it just seems pointless to me to even bother with the B16B if you are looking to gain 'the most' from an engine as the OP said especially for the minimal cost and effort to least just swap the bottom ends.
 
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IMO I wouldn't want to fit a B18 due to what seems a common problem of them spinning big end bearings.
On track there is not actually a massive difference between the two unless you need to use 5th gear. If you want to go quicker forget the extra 200cc and get big brakes and a decent LSD :)
It is nice when buying a ek9 to know the original engine is still fitted.
Dunx
 
If people wanted the power of the 18 shouldn't they have just bought a dc2 :-/
 
type-r-dunk said:
IMO I wouldn't want to fit a B18 due to what seems a common problem of them spinning big end bearings.
On track there is not actually a massive difference between the two unless you need to use 5th gear. If you want to go quicker forget the extra 200cc and get big brakes and a decent LSD :)
It is nice when buying a ek9 to know the original engine is still fitted.
Dunx
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a good well looked after b18c is just as reliable as a b16b,all about how its looked after!!
 
webbie said:
If people wanted the power of the 18 shouldn't they have just bought a dc2 :-/
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seriously.
 
If you want a real answer from me;

To fully build a Bseries engine and gearbox ie getting the most from it, costs around 4-6k. Say 4k for the engine etc and 2k for the gearbox and misc items.

Now on the B16B(keeping 1.6 displacement) Build I would expect rough figures of 220bhp and 130lbs ft (maybe abit more power but wouldnt expect much more torque)

on the B18C I would expect 230-240bhp and 140-155lbs ft

B20 230-240bhp and 150-160lbs ft

K20 230-260bhp and 160-180lbs ft

Now since the B16B has produced the least power for the same money, surely it is not worth it simply for that 'B16B' marking on your block and people able to make the utterly arbitrary statement "oh but its only a 1.6".

ps, these bhp figures are obviously vague, but reasonably accurate from what iv seen and demonstrate my point even if they are all abit out.
 
To make the most from a B16B, one needs:
B18 crank
B18 forged rods
Low comp pistons
Turbo kit!

:naughty:

This is what i plan to do, although ill probably get a B18c4 bottom end, put in the forged rods and pistons and use the type R head! :))
 
What I mean is , everyone seems to get a 9 then set on changing the amazing 16b engine that Honda made so great ,I know it's all about extra power but isn't the 1600cc the ek9s character
 
I've never been a fan of engine swaps, it's like swapping out the heart of the car. Just something about it I don't like, but I can see why people would do it, just if I had an EK9 I wouldn't change a thing :)
 
Build the b16b block to 86x89, port the head, cams, valvetrain, supporting mods, tune, etc...
 
I wouldn't bother spending money on the B16b, the power returns will be minimal top end (which everyone always seems to quote) but mid range and before vtec you can get good improvements of 20 bhp'ish with average spending on cams etc.
 
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