taking a different approach to tuning


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I am planning on getting a little type r as a runabout but i would also like to tune it up a bit just to prove a point to a few people.
I ain't insulting anyone on here i am just going to say what people are like where i am.

No one that drives a honda actually knows how to tune a car or how to produce more power! and this are people who are serious about their cars.

I am thinking of getting a integra type r then use the following spec.
Skunk2 Cams
Skunk 2 intake manifold
stock airbox with custom cold air intake feeding to it
AEM series 2 ECU
Water/meth and increase the ignition timing to its limits.

That should take care of 99% of serious honda tuners down my area.
Any thoughts?
I just want to see what would a honda driver do to get more power whilst remaining Naturally aspirated
 
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and just to add. I aint stripping nothing out of the car including rear seats that weight nothing to begin with
 
I dont understand how this is a different approach? And what are you trying to prove? Also wouldn't the water/meth injection be more hassle than its worth. I thought it was only for high comp builds, i.e. >12.5:1.
 
bigger exhaust manifold,decat,bigger exhaust system,bigger throttle body,thermal intake gaskets,heatwrap alot of things really!
 
If you're going to all the trouble using meth/water, why not change the ignition system to something a little more up to date? :nice:

I would personally keep the head standard, perfectly good enough cams.

who's tuning it?
 
water/meth increases the octane and helps with cooling down. regardless what compression you have. if its mapped you can gain an extra 6-8 degrees of timing which will produce a lot more power.
Also by different approach i mean. everyone puts a exhaust and filter or an engine/turbo conversion and thats it.
Talking of turbos why do people turbo their cars on a stock ecu then wonder why it blow up a month later!
I just want to prove you can go faster without engine conversions or turbos
 
JohnOBrien8 said:
bigger exhaust manifold,decat,bigger exhaust system,bigger throttle body,thermal intake gaskets,heatwrap alot of things really!
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perfect example!
I gurantee the setup you mensioned on a dyno before and after will maybe make you 1 hp or loose hp due to oversized exhaust. heatwrap on a NA? that aint going to do anything. throttle body without a map? what gain are you going to get if you aint advancing your timing?
 
Wazer said:
If you're going to all the trouble using meth/water, why not change the ignition system to something a little more up to date? :nice:

I would personally keep the head standard, perfectly good enough cams.

who's tuning it?
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All that trouble? its 1 hours work. plus water/meth will actually produce power.
getting a massive exhaust system ain't!

This is what i mean different approach.
Aint doing the usual mods everyone does to gain 1 hp

I will be mapping it
 
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Gpro said:
perfect example!
I gurantee the setup you mensioned on a dyno before and after will maybe make you 1 hp or loose hp due to oversized exhaust. heatwrap on a NA? that aint going to do anything. throttle body without a map? what gain are you going to get if you aint advancing your timing?
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you said you wanted to make as much power as you can without opening the engine a better flowing exhaust,decat and manifold will definetly help, i never said oversized, 70mm might be oversized but 60mm would be an improvement on OEM! heatwrap keeps the heat in your manifold,have you seen how close the intake is to the exhaust manifold on a b series?another thing is using using a closed airbox intake with a cold air feed or making up a heatshield if its an open filter
is the AEM not mappable? if not i wouldnt be using it! when hunting for more power!
why cant you advance your timing?
 
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how will you use the water meth injection without a map?
1. The AEM Series 2 is a standalone!

as for air intakes stock is best with a K&N Panel filter! gets air from under the car. you would be surprised how much power you actually loose from the normal air inductions people put on it

60mm exhaust yeah i agree that would be a lot better and ofcourse decatted

how will you use the water meth injection without a map?
You would be surprised how many people bolt them on and expect power with no mapping
 
Gpro said:
how will you use the water meth injection without a map?
1. The AEM Series 2 is a standalone!

as for air intakes stock is best with a K&N Panel filter! gets air from under the car. you would be surprised how much power you actually loose from the normal air inductions people put on it

60mm exhaust yeah i agree that would be a lot better and ofcourse decatted

how will you use the water meth injection without a map?
You would be surprised how many people bolt them on and expect power with no mapping
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your the one that asked that question not me, if its a standalone why cant you advance your timing?
intakes, thats not true ive a mate that has done a comparison with a few different intakes including stock with panel filter,same day,same car same dyno, a velocity stack with a custom heatshield and cold air feed proved the best!
you,ve asked this at the start,ive never heard of anyone running it without mapping!
 
Your not going to see any massive increases from your plans over any other Honda tuner already has. All your doing that's even remotely different is the water meth.
What kind of gains you expecting to see from the water meth after tuning?
 
I never said i can't advanced the timing.

Provided best by how much?

Maybe its just people in my area who are clueless when it comes to engines

I think its pretty obvious it aint my main car. I am just trying to give a few tips to you lot on how to tune your cars up and not copying everyone else thats doing it wrong again and again!.

I just get pissed of seeing hondas with 3.5" exhaust a induction kit pretty much sitting right beside the exhaust manifold. and few other things that actually decrease your power not increase it
 
water/meth on my supra i gained 120bhp
on the honda am guessing atleast 20bhp with a proper map running 80% meth 20% water

Your not going to see any massive increases from your plans over any other Honda tuner already has. All your doing that's even remotely different is the water meth.
What kind of gains you expecting to see from the water meth after tuning?
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I bet the setup i mensioned would be a lot quicker then setups with 1-2K more spend on them - based on the fact a lot of the mods people do actually decrease the power not increase it. Plus you need a combination of things for it to work
 
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Gpro said:
All that trouble? its 1 hours work. plus water/meth will actually produce power.
getting a massive exhaust system ain't!

This is what i mean different approach.
Aint doing the usual mods everyone does to gain 1 hp

I will be mapping it
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Mainly the money involved. If you're wanting to run more ignition like you stated, you would consider the relatively cheap cost of upgrading the ignition system, stupid not to really?

I said nothing about an exhaust?

on that note anyway exhausts create far more than 1hp, my old engine made 200whp with a twinloop, then changing to a 2,75" system and a slight change to cam timing 215whp appeared.
 
Wazer said:
Mainly the money involved. If you're wanting to run more ignition like you stated, you would consider the relatively cheap cost of upgrading the ignition system, stupid not to really?

I said nothing about an exhaust?

on that note anyway exhausts create far more than 1hp, my old engine made 200whp with a twinloop, then changing to a 2,75" system and a slight change to cam timing 215whp appeared.
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Water/meth is only £300

I am basing it on the fact that i have never seen a honda with a stock exhaust so why are we even mensioning of upgrading it?

I aint a expert on type r's what wrong with the stock ignition system?
 
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Your supra would gain massively as its detonation that's limiting your boosted supra,
I'm no expert but I doubt its det that's the main limiting factor on a b18. Not a stock b18 anyway. I can see the gains when running 13-1 compression etc, but on a 11.1-1 b18c6?
By all means try it and show the world. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
 
jesse888 said:
Your supra would gain massively as its detonation that's limiting your boosted supra,
I'm no expert but I doubt its det that's the main limiting factor on a b18. Not a stock b18 anyway. I can see the gains when running 13-1 compression etc, but on a 11.1-1 b18c6?
By all means try it and show the world. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
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I will say again i aint a expert on honda engines but i have seen on a different forum someone gaining 50hp just from adding water/meth and getting it mapped.

Also water/meth provides much colder air intake temperatures which will result in more power turbo or NA.

What am trying to prove is you can make a lot more power with a lot less money by picking the right parts.
 
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