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raven6970

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I Have A 2000 Ek9 With A B18c Engine Axles Tranny And Ecu, I Was Wondering If I Would Need To Get A Custom Piping Or Can I Use A Kit. Also What Psi Should I Do It Was Just Rebuilt.
 
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raven6970 said:
I Have A 2000 Ek9 With A B18c Engine Axles Tranny And Ecu, I Was Wondering If I Would Need To Get A Custom Piping Or Can I Use A Kit. Also What Psi Should I Do It Was Just Rebuilt.
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hello, before i can assist you please answer the following questions:

-is it a b18c type R engine?
-please explain what you mean by "Rebuilt" what parts were changed, what were they replaced with? is the motor rebuilt stock? or rebuilt with aftermarket parts?
-what is your compression ratio?
-what is your horsepower goal?
-what is your budget?
-what country are you in and what grade fuel do you have access to?

raven6970 said:
I Am Also In The Process Of Putting In A Vafc If That Matters At All
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Vafc is a waste for turbo cars, something like aem fic is much better. basically the Vafc only controls FUEL, while the aem fic controls fuel AND ignition wich is VERY important in turbo cars. apexi power FC/aem ems/emanage ultimate/hks F-con/etc... are all other options as well...
 
i can highly recommand the top fuel turbo kits!
top fuel is numberone in japanese honda turbo builds. you can buy a complete kit for the piping and turbo, also speciel internals (also 2l stroker kit for turbo engines!) special ek turbo exhaust systems and more.

there are a lot of really hardcore turbo setups like those from full race (up to 700 HP or more) and custom setups like the yelloow c-west ek from US with modded top fuel kit around 470 HP. i know some guys here in switzerland driving custom made turbo kits. turbo really rules on a vtec. but im not really sure if i would do this to my hatch...

but only one thing: if you do it - do it right. now hobby-builds damaging more then bringing fun. i've seen cars about 600 HP on a complete stock engine. it's possible but i dont think this engine wil last long time!
 
top fuel is no doubt a good kit, but it is VERY overpriced!!! and they just use hks and apexi components that are re-badged. for the price of top fuel kit you can get a full-race kit with a ball bearing turbo...
 
the motor was rebuilt stock it is a type r, the compression i think is 13.5:1. horse power wize im thinking around 350-400. i have access to 110 octain but i also would like it as a cruzer around town, i have a diffrent car i use for work and trips. it would be drivven a couple times a week. i live in california U.S.A.
 
hey i live in california too :nice: first off if it was rebuilt stock there would be NO way to get 13.5 CR, unless you put CTR pistons/milled the head .020 and had a thin head gasket. if this is the case forget about turbo. there is pretty much NO way to make 350-400 whp on a turbo car with 13.5 CR. it would have been better to rebuilt it with forged pistons and rods with a CR around 9.0-10.0.

also im assuming you would like to run on 91 octane if possible? if thats the case your current motor wont even run on 91 unless you retard the timing an insane amount.
 
where about in ca? i know that i will have to do internals and yes on 91 octane. i was told that it waw 13.5 unless you know what the compression is around. cuz i found a turbo kit that supposedly will get my car to run low 11 no the track w/o any mods.
 
raven6970 said:
where about in ca? i know that i will have to do internals and yes on 91 octane. i was told that it waw 13.5 unless you know what the compression is around. cuz i found a turbo kit that supposedly will get my car to run low 11 no the track w/o any mods.
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what kit is it? are you 100 % sure you got 13.5 compression was this on pump gas sounds crazy to turbo charge something with that much compression
 
raven6970 said:
where about in ca? i know that i will have to do internals and yes on 91 octane. i was told that it waw 13.5 unless you know what the compression is around. cuz i found a turbo kit that supposedly will get my car to run low 11 no the track w/o any mods.
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socal, simivalley area. if the car runs on 91 now, its not 13.5 CR. running 11's requires about 400+whp, pretty much any kit with a t3t4 turbo can make 400whp but there is no way to make that much power on stock internals and pump gas.

a more realistic goal would be 300whp on pump gas (thats what im planning on) and for that you would need:
forged pistons 9:1 CR and rings
forged rods
some sort of fuel management
3" exhaust (2.5 will work too)
750cc injectors

with that set up, you would be good for about 300whp on 91 and a very safe 400whp+ on race gas.

my only other advice is get a ball bearing turbo.

no turbo kit will get a stock honda into low 11's, theres more to being fast than just power. the stock tires will never let you hit 11's. nor will the stock exhaust or suspension etc...
 
i have race shocks and springs and i have a 2.5 exhast, ive always heard a 3 exhast works well with turbo. i know i will need tires and rims i have trouble getting traction now. cool man thanks for the help. i live around you it sounds like, if you ever see a 00 primer blk hatch hit me up.
 
one more thing should i get the pipeing for the honda then the manifold and down pipe for the b18c or will a kit for the b18c fit the hatch, im just worried that the intercooler piping wont fit
 
raven6970 said:
one more thing should i get the pipeing for the honda then the manifold and down pipe for the b18c or will a kit for the b18c fit the hatch, im just worried that the intercooler piping wont fit
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any company who sells a turbo kit for a honda, sells a hybrid kit for a swapped honda, just make sure to get a kit for a 96-00 civic with a GSR engine. what kits are you considering? you might have to swap your GSR intake manifold for a skunk2 or modify your charge pipe though...
 
raven6970 said:
i was thinking about greddy i always hear that they are one of the best.
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you'll be lucky to make 215whp with the greddy kit and i can give you a million reasons why starting with turbo size...

whats your total budget? for engine work AND the turbo kit?
 
raven6970 said:
probably like 8-10k
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ok thats a good budget, this is what i would do:

eagle rods + wiseco 9:1 pistons-800
bearings-100
misc gaskets-100
balance blue print and assembly-800

now you have a built short block ready for about 300+whp on pump gas all day long and about 400+whp on race gas.

total at this stage $2000

then you need a turbo kit, if you wanna keep it cheap i can get a revhard turbo kit for about 2700 complete. it comes with everything you need to boost your car up to about 265whp

* Rev Hard Cast Iron Manifold
* Turbonetics T3/T04E Hybrid Turbo(eff. to 450hp)
* Rev Hard Intercooler (28x6.5x3)
* Tial Wastegate (7 PSI)
* Rev Hard Blow-Off Valve
* 2.25" Mandrel Bent Piping
* 2.5" Downpipe
* Billet Map Diffuser (Check Valve)
* High Volume Fuel Pump
* Silicone Hoses and Clamps
* Steel Braided -3 Oil Line
* Oil Return Line
* High Pressure Fuel Line
* High Pressure Silicone Hoses
* Necessary Vacuum Lines
* Vortech FMU
* Necessary Vacuum Tee's

total at this stage $5700


if you want more power, you upgrade your injectors remove the FMU and map diffuser that comes with the kit, get some sort of EMS (like a chipped p28 with crome or hondata) and a dynotune and you'll make over 300+whp no problem and 400+ on race gas...

now your at
sell map diffuser and FMU +$100
RC 750cc injectors-400
chipped p28 with crome-200
dyno tuning-200

total at this stage $6600

now you have a built shortblock and a good turbo kit which still leaves you room to buy a clutch/gauges/exhaust/etc... and still stay under 8k.

this way you dont blow all your money in 1 shot, and you get to enjoy your car as it gets progressively faster. like i said before if you have exra cash, its always nice to upgrade to a ballbearing turbo.

hope this helps out, sorry if its kinda confusing.
 
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