I'm confused aha
I get that you can remove yourself from "society"... but that surely means the you have to leave the society? You cannot legally remove yourself from society but continue to live in that society. i.e Use the Roads, Hospitals, own a home etc
The government own the roads
It would be unbelievably impractical. Can't get a job (unless self employed), can't buy a house, no bank account, endless hassle from the police.
If you de-register your car from the DVLA, how can you prove that you are the legal owner? you have no documents (the government would seize it for being unregistered and possibly stolen)
I think that the concept of a "freeman" is a nice idea but lacks substance. If it was possible to withdraw from society, the UK would be in an even bigger mess. Everybody would do it.
ESSAY Alert
not a rant btw at all mate.
you raise alot of very good points martin. tbh the best part for me is these are the exact same questions i asked when i first heard of this. exactly the same lol. health care, roads, transport, money, bank account, insurance, fire brigade, police protection if i get attacked or need to use any public service..
firstly you have a right to use the roads and receive health care.. that is a fudemental human right.. the part that is hard to explain to people who are new to this is that WE do not pay for our health care or the roads or anything like that... if you pay for anything you have the right to ask for a BILL, which is a break down of the costs you have been charged for. next time you pay you tax ask for a bill.... you will not receive one as they cannot give it to you, as they do not have a break down of the cost's.. as it does not exist!!
You prove you own the car in the same way they prove They own your car, you write up a legal contract..
also you say legally remove yourself from society and therefore cannot live in it.
You still have a right to buy a house.. the same as i can buy a house in bulgaria i am not part of their society but anyone can buy anything from any society that is the law's of commerce which is a different thing all together.
you also raise a good point about the police, But at the same time you prove alot of what i am talking about.. The police would bother you over the car being deregistered ( although they would have no power to do anything ) does this not ring alarm bells in your head and basically prove once and for all that the police are not here to " SERVE and PROTECT " like they have sworn an OATH to do.. they swear that they will protect and serve us... but the point you raised clearly proves that they work for the coporation of the U.K and are basically revenue enforcement officers.. The only reason the DVLA want you to have all the documents is because by holding them, you are legally binded in a contract to have tax etc etc.. which means they can charge.. it may sound complex but really every legal instrument put in place is to take your money and not to protect like we are led to believe.
lastly the "idea" of a freeman is not an "idea" it is a right we al have and TBH is one of the most true things in modern day society.. its in the magna carta. that document is FAR more important than people seem to realise NO Government No regime NO-ONE can change it or override it.. surely that lets you know the POWER of the document. its not some silly idea that conspiracy theorist's have thought up i am not a conspiracy theorist i find the term highly misleading.. my interest is in fact and truth.
i don't believe the uk would be a mess if everyone fully understood the rights we have, the reason it is a mess at the moment is because of the lack of knowledge and intelligence in the UK but its not anyones fault other than the people at the top. schools don't teach it, its not openly avaliable information therefore its not the people who are not aware of this.. they have simply been kept away from it on purpose
the fact that you are questioning things is a good thing mate it shows you are interested in this please don't think i am talking down to you and saying i have superior knowledge, you must listen or proving my ego or having a go or anything like that, it may seem that way as people can come across differently on the net to how they mean to and my passion for it obvoisly means i write in a certain way, such as capitals to enthasise word's its not me shouting its just picking out words that are important, but take my word for it dude, i take no offence to what you say i am merely enjoying discussing it
with you and others as i think you have shown good interest in this, i hope you understand and feel the same. i am merely sharing the information i have found so you understand things to then go and look them yourself.