DVLA really own your car: Here's how to change it.


**** hot guys, well chuffed you found them interesting. ... like i said its only when you realise it yourself that it becomes Scarily clear.. and it does hit you like a brick the first time it sinks in..

it is monumentally MAD but so true.. !!!!!

LOL at the matrix... wish i would have taken the blue pill cause as they say "Ignorance is bliss"...
 
Yep I have a red face from that big slap! I'm still computing all this new info but already seeing things in a totally new light. :nerv:

I'm with elchunk on this new society! :woot:
 
Just watched those videos.... Very Interesting Topher :nice:

However, I don't really think there is much substance to it. It surely wouldn't hold up in court.

Everybody would be doing it if they could. I'm definitely going to read up more on it though. Interesting :confused: haha
 
defiantely read up on it mate thats the only real way to understand it.

TBH dude, its not got much to do with the courts as they are for people who break the rules of the corporation, and so if you are not part of the corporation then these rules do not apply. this does not mean you can be a hooligan as we are all bound by common law ( inherent LAW ) you know if you are doing something wrong you don't need section 15 of act 67 subsection b,c and d whatever to tell you that you are doing something wrong. as john says it covers every eventuality... .. sections act's and subsections and bi-law's are simply just clever legal jargon to get you to contract with them, thus giving them power over you.... .. ... and TBH i have never found a single law that isn't covered by the 3 common law's...

. Its written in the magna carta that we have the right to travel freely in our persoanl method of conveyance and they state it as a god given right !! thats way higher than any court( buisness lol ) in this land..

Its a very in depth subject that those 5 videos don't even cover 5% of the information needed to fully understand it.. i thought i;d post them to get people to do more research on it..
there is FAR FAR more to it than simply not paying car tax and getting away with no license..
enjoy reading mate.
 
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I'm confused aha

I get that you can remove yourself from "society"... but that surely means the you have to leave the society? You cannot legally remove yourself from society but continue to live in that society. i.e Use the Roads, Hospitals, own a home etc
The government own the roads

It would be unbelievably impractical. Can't get a job (unless self employed), can't buy a house, no bank account, endless hassle from the police.

If you de-register your car from the DVLA, how can you prove that you are the legal owner? you have no documents (the government would seize it for being unregistered and possibly stolen)

I think that the concept of a "freeman" is a nice idea but lacks substance. If it was possible to withdraw from society, the UK would be in an even bigger mess. Everybody would do it.
 
I'm confused aha

I get that you can remove yourself from "society"... but that surely means the you have to leave the society? You cannot legally remove yourself from society but continue to live in that society. i.e Use the Roads, Hospitals, own a home etc
The government own the roads

It would be unbelievably impractical. Can't get a job (unless self employed), can't buy a house, no bank account, endless hassle from the police.

If you de-register your car from the DVLA, how can you prove that you are the legal owner? you have no documents (the government would seize it for being unregistered and possibly stolen)

I think that the concept of a "freeman" is a nice idea but lacks substance. If it was possible to withdraw from society, the UK would be in an even bigger mess. Everybody would do it.

that is a very good point.

just watched the video. it's good to know this stuff and I wonder if he managed to destroy the birth certificate. this thread kinda reminds me about the one a while back about the twin tours/ Illuminati etc lol
 
defiantely read up on it mate thats the only real way to understand it.

TBH dude, its not got much to do with the courts as they are for people who break the rules of the corporation, and so if you are not part of the corporation then these rules do not apply. this does not mean you can be a hooligan as we are all bound by common law ( inherent LAW ) you know if you are doing something wrong you don't need section 15 of act 67 subsection b,c and d whatever to tell you that you are doing something wrong. as john says it covers every eventuality... .. sections act's and subsections and bi-law's are simply just clever legal jargon to get you to contract with them, thus giving them power over you.... .. ... and TBH i have never found a single law that isn't covered by the 3 common law's...

. Its written in the magna carta that we have the right to travel freely in our persoanl method of conveyance and they state it as a god given right !! thats way higher than any court( buisness lol ) in this land..

Its a very in depth subject that those 5 videos don't even cover 5% of the information needed to fully understand it.. i thought i;d post them to get people to do more research on it..
there is FAR FAR more to it than simply not paying car tax and getting away with no license..
enjoy reading mate.

This topic is actually really interesting, and at the same time quite frightening, so in theory you don't even need a drivers licence as your would be agreeing to a contract signed by the fictional you which doesn't even exist. again really good topic, got me thinking today.:)
 
I'm confused aha

I get that you can remove yourself from "society"... but that surely means the you have to leave the society? You cannot legally remove yourself from society but continue to live in that society. i.e Use the Roads, Hospitals, own a home etc
The government own the roads

It would be unbelievably impractical. Can't get a job (unless self employed), can't buy a house, no bank account, endless hassle from the police.

If you de-register your car from the DVLA, how can you prove that you are the legal owner? you have no documents (the government would seize it for being unregistered and possibly stolen)

I think that the concept of a "freeman" is a nice idea but lacks substance. If it was possible to withdraw from society, the UK would be in an even bigger mess. Everybody would do it.

ESSAY Alert :nerv:
not a rant btw at all mate. :)

you raise alot of very good points martin. tbh the best part for me is these are the exact same questions i asked when i first heard of this. exactly the same lol. health care, roads, transport, money, bank account, insurance, fire brigade, police protection if i get attacked or need to use any public service..
firstly you have a right to use the roads and receive health care.. that is a fudemental human right.. the part that is hard to explain to people who are new to this is that WE do not pay for our health care or the roads or anything like that... if you pay for anything you have the right to ask for a BILL, which is a break down of the costs you have been charged for. next time you pay you tax ask for a bill.... you will not receive one as they cannot give it to you, as they do not have a break down of the cost's.. as it does not exist!!
You prove you own the car in the same way they prove They own your car, you write up a legal contract..
also you say legally remove yourself from society and therefore cannot live in it.
You still have a right to buy a house.. the same as i can buy a house in bulgaria i am not part of their society but anyone can buy anything from any society that is the law's of commerce which is a different thing all together.

you also raise a good point about the police, But at the same time you prove alot of what i am talking about.. The police would bother you over the car being deregistered ( although they would have no power to do anything ) does this not ring alarm bells in your head and basically prove once and for all that the police are not here to " SERVE and PROTECT " like they have sworn an OATH to do.. they swear that they will protect and serve us... but the point you raised clearly proves that they work for the coporation of the U.K and are basically revenue enforcement officers.. The only reason the DVLA want you to have all the documents is because by holding them, you are legally binded in a contract to have tax etc etc.. which means they can charge.. it may sound complex but really every legal instrument put in place is to take your money and not to protect like we are led to believe.

lastly the "idea" of a freeman is not an "idea" it is a right we al have and TBH is one of the most true things in modern day society.. its in the magna carta. that document is FAR more important than people seem to realise NO Government No regime NO-ONE can change it or override it.. surely that lets you know the POWER of the document. its not some silly idea that conspiracy theorist's have thought up i am not a conspiracy theorist i find the term highly misleading.. my interest is in fact and truth.
i don't believe the uk would be a mess if everyone fully understood the rights we have, the reason it is a mess at the moment is because of the lack of knowledge and intelligence in the UK but its not anyones fault other than the people at the top. schools don't teach it, its not openly avaliable information therefore its not the people who are not aware of this.. they have simply been kept away from it on purpose

the fact that you are questioning things is a good thing mate it shows you are interested in this please don't think i am talking down to you and saying i have superior knowledge, you must listen or proving my ego or having a go or anything like that, it may seem that way as people can come across differently on the net to how they mean to and my passion for it obvoisly means i write in a certain way, such as capitals to enthasise word's its not me shouting its just picking out words that are important, but take my word for it dude, i take no offence to what you say i am merely enjoying discussing it
with you and others as i think you have shown good interest in this, i hope you understand and feel the same. i am merely sharing the information i have found so you understand things to then go and look them yourself.
 
This topic is actually really interesting, and at the same time quite frightening, so in theory you don't even need a drivers licence as your would be agreeing to a contract signed by the fictional you which doesn't even exist. again really good topic, got me thinking today.:)

basically that is it exactly mate.. :dance:

what it doesn't mean however, is that you can drive like a nutter and completely disregard your own and others safety... i think that is the message people seem to get when you say no license is needed. its nothing to do with having a problem with authority or anything like that. its just common sense that if i can drive why do i need to pay someone £90 every 6 months to use something i can use anyway and that none of my £90 goes towards.. that to me is insane..

also the reason why everyone is interested in this is because its so true and we all know it is true its only the legal instruments put in place that have been ingrained into us that make us think " hang on a minute i'm gonna get done for this " which is exactly the reason all the legal stuff was invented so that we feel . "oh god if i do this i will get fined" type thing, so we take the easy way out and simply pay out and not question it because its easier.. and we all know the easy way it not always that best way.

lol please don't think i am smart or trying to be smart or anything like that.. i just did a lot of reading over the past 4 years.. :please: join me in doing research also so that others can also understand. may seem like useless pointless information to alot of people. fair enough i am not trying to force it on you.
 
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more videos... lol. its alot easier to watch a good speaker put the points across instead of me typing..
this is part 1, 2 and 3 but the rest you will find easily..

also have a read of the video info.. all about license's :)) alot of info again to take in bt please take the time to watch it. its a lot more than i can explain..
yes it is for american's but alot of it is the same sort of thing.. just a good idea to hear from their perspective also.. its the same principal..

also good is that he shows you still have to remain a good human being .. if not more so !!

i'll stop now lol and let people watch this and get more information instead of boring you al . :p

ENJOY !!

Are You A Sovereign Yet? Part 1 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itVxHSGq0aA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNK0qy3N1pk&feature=related
 
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Topher, I’m enjoying the discussion and take no offence, i’m easy going so don’t worry haha . However, I’m sorry to disappoint you as I can see that you are passionate about the subject. But I believe it to be a “conspiracy theory” of sorts :nerv: SORRY

Health care and road use are not a fundamental human right.

The notion that freedom is a human right is one that was advocated by society. Society gave people rights. Rights and responsibilities are products of society. Society is not a hindrance to human rights, Society created them :nice:

The police are there to serve and protect “society” and not necessarily individuals. Yes they collect revenue but they also protect

If you withdraw from society you have no right to healthcare, protection, road use etc They are provisions from society which are paid for via taxation. They are not Human rights. You are affectively trespassing if you use the roads

If you are taken to court for not paying your taxes, a response of “I’m a freeman” would not be an adequate defence. You cannot choose to be part of society and not pay taxes

If you want to be a freeman, you need your own land

Let me know what you think :D

I’ll watch the videos you posted tomorrow Topher. My brain hurts too much at the moment.
 
I've very much enjoying looking into this :nice: I'm very Interested in reading Topher-EK4's response to your comments mid22..
 
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Topher, I’m enjoying the discussion and take no offence, i’m easy going so don’t worry haha . However, I’m sorry to disappoint you as I can see that you are passionate about the subject. But I believe it to be a “conspiracy theory” of sorts :nerv: SORRY

Health care and road use are not a fundamental human right.

The notion that freedom is a human right is one that was advocated by society. Society gave people rights. Rights and responsibilities are products of society. Society is not a hindrance to human rights, Society created them :nice:

The police are there to serve and protect “society” and not necessarily individuals. Yes they collect revenue but they also protect

If you withdraw from society you have no right to healthcare, protection, road use etc They are provisions from society which are paid for via taxation. They are not Human rights. You are affectively trespassing if you use the roads

If you are taken to court for not paying your taxes, a response of “I’m a freeman” would not be an adequate defence. You cannot choose to be part of society and not pay taxes

If you want to be a freeman, you need your own land

Let me know what you think :D

I’ll watch the videos you posted tomorrow Topher. My brain hurts too much at the moment.

No offence taken at all dude.
the court has no power over a freeman as the courts are for the coporation and can only act on your person... i understand it is not right but there is such a thing as the Right to travel using your personal method of conveyance.. as i said this is in the magna carta no police force, court or jurisdiction has the power to remove that right.. as it states in the magna carta this is a god given right to man and women. as we were created by the Divine " ( god, or whatever you believe in ) society did not create us they created our " person ".. this is the legal entitiy on which they act upon..

i would say the best thing to do. is to research the questions you have asked only then will you find the ture answers as when you find and read something for yourself you will know what is true... i am no expert, i have been studying it for a good 4 years now on and off and have still myself , only scratched the surface of the information available...
below i will post some videos showing that the commercial court has no juridiction ( use of words in law ) over a freeman or a sovereign

here is the oath that the police swear

" I (name) do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of Constable, without favour or affection, malice or ill will; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty's subjects and that while I continue to hold the said office I will, to the best of my skill and knowledge, discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. "


here is a great video on the police and showing that they have an oath and that is to uphold COMMON law not commercial law on behalf of the courts..
also note that the guy is not aggresive to the policeman and has no problem with authority.. ( True authority ) however he will not incriminate himself. no police officer of this land can prove he has authoirty over you and if he says he does ask him under which authority he is acting... he will not be able to tell you..
Am I obliged to answer your question, Mr Policeman - YouTube

and here is a good couple of a freeman dismissing the court due to the court not proving jurisdiction over him....
i thought i would post these to show you guys it's not a conspiracy. ( not a dig at you martin,:nice: just saying in general )
its not about going to court and saying " i am a freeman let me go " and its not about going into dishonour.. as in if you have commited a crime you should pay for that crime. as to deny you have commited an actual offence ( common law offence, causing harm loss or injury ) then you have gone into dishonour by denying it..

i have posted these to show that it takes alot of understanding and knowledge of the actual law to be able to do this.. its not clever little words or phrases. you actually need to know and understand every single part of the law.. hence why i have been researching it for years now and am not an expert as it takes alot of time. these videos show common law is higher than anything when it comes to law.. the law of king john the kind of england who bought in the magna carta..

enjoy. and hopefully it will make people go :wow: and want to research it more for themselves.. because i know it has that affect on me the first time.. nothing to do with tricking the court or being a person who has a problem with authority... its all LAWFUL.


Magistrate fails to prove Juristiction - Freeman Dismisses case.pt.1/2 - YouTube
Magistrate fails to prove Juristiction - Freeman Dismisses case.pt.2/2. - YouTube
 
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Finding this very interesting Topher. Lots of different things to understand

First of all, the Police video: The man was very patronising towards the police officer. Arrogantly trying to belittle him. Deliberately provocative. I admire the police officers restraint to be honest. Rather than admit that he had broken a law, he attempts to challenge a police officer doing his job with some intricate aspect of the law. The guy deserved a good kick in the balls.

Police officers only need to have a general understanding of the law. An ability to identify an offence. They do not need to know the detailed paragraphs of the law. Lawyers themselves do not know the law off by heart

The Magna Carta is a medieval document that limited the Monarchs power and remains the basis of current English Law. It prevented the King from arbitrarily making judgements and enshrined the right that no freeman (i.e not a surf. Not the lowest social class,) could be punished except through the Law of the Land. The Magna Carta is class biased and is only applied to the middle and upper classes.

Common Law is based on precedent and the traditional way of judging something. The Law can be divided into statutory law, regulatory law and common or case law. There is no hierarchy that one is better than the other, and some situations will cover more than one type of law. A judge will interpret the statutes and regulations in each case.

The current argument proposing the freeman state is merely an attempt to try and avoid some of the responsibilities and sanctions that society expects it citizens to comply with. You are either a fully paid up member of society or you take yourself out of that society. You cannot expect the benefits as at the same time avoiding the rules and regulations society imposes.

Democratic Society is made up of a government which citizens have the right to elect. Citizens must abide by the laws or challenge them in court. They have no option to be a “freeman”.

To be a freeman means to climb to live in a democratic society
 
I think this whole subject is a huge grey area. There is obviously truth in it all..but frankly it's daft. We all have to suffer the blow...99% of us don't have the time to sit down and try to make sense of legalise. I wouldn't say i'm being a sheep, I just feel there's greater joys in life to be had than finding loop holes to do what I can and do everyday. If you remove yourself from society and then try and use the justice system, the NHS, our public networks, our roads your taking the piss...just as much as the many acts and statues that rule our lives.

Yes it's not a law to stay below 70, or stop and red lights, and it's only a condition of a contract..but it is what it is. Your not traveling in your personal mode of conveyance on your land, your using THEIR roads to convey...that will and always is the issue. I'd rather pay my dues and be a little bitter about it than set myself up for constant hassle from the blue and twos.

On review, it seems that most of the people in the videos couldn't give a sh*t about actually riding their bike how they want, driving their car without tax..they just enjoy being above the law and that little bit special.

DVLA might 'own' my car...but they don't...it's sat on my drive, I drive it, I enjoy it..I pay for it
 
I think alot of the freeman stuff is hypocritical , case in point that video , he
de-reg's the vehicle and then expects to use the roads that other people have/are paying for , then probably pays for fuel giving money to ''evil corporations'' like Shell etc.

Your either in the ''MATRIX'' or your totally out , and live like Bear Grylls :p
 
Exactly, you can't just opt in to some parts and opt out of others. Toe in or toe out. Can't see the wood for the trees
 
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