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storiee!

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so would u do both skim the head and spoon head gasket???

would compression not be through the roof?????

u still interested in mapping this yoke with the cams in it ????:))
 


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Skim it to make sure its flat, or have it checked to make sure its flat. But in my opion skimming a load off the head to raise the compression is just crazy. What happens if you need a head skim further down the line and you've nearly took the maxium amount off....
 


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so would u do both skim the head and spoon head gasket???

would compression not be through the roof?????

u still interested in mapping this yoke with the cams in it ????:))
Using the spoon headgasket is only going to raise your compression .2-.3

Tbh I think you would be better off sticking with stock cams and the spoon gasket+remap to suit, will be a nice step up from the b16b your used to:nice:
 


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Using the spoon headgasket is only going to raise your compression .2-.3

Tbh I think you would be better off sticking with stock cams and the spoon gasket+remap to suit, will be a nice step up from the b16b your used to:nice:
the only reson im doing the head is the fella that im geting the new cams off is taken my ecu and stsndard internals off me so not out that much lad and sure it will be all done and dusted in the one go then!!

would u not agree!!:nice:
 


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dont know why you think getting uprated valvetrain will be mega expensive, can pick up second hand dual stuff off forums for £40-£140

get the cams second hand too if you wanted

take the head off, get it skimmed a couple thou add a thinner HG if you want (skim and thinner HG will make buggerall differance tbh)

rebuild the head yourself, this is easy enough to do

get the engine clayed with your new cams (the most important part and probably most costly) to check for p2v


put back together and then enjoy the nice power increase. obviously a remap would go down well too but it could wait
 


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dont know why you think getting uprated valvetrain will be mega expensive, can pick up second hand dual stuff off forums for £40-£140

get the cams second hand too if you wanted

take the head off, get it skimmed a couple thou add a thinner HG if you want (skim and thinner HG will make buggerall differance tbh)

rebuild the head yourself, this is easy enough to do

get the engine clayed with your new cams (the most important part and probably most costly) to check for p2v


put back together and then enjoy the nice power increase. obviously a remap would go down well too but it could wait

Debatable advice here tbh.

Secondhand valvetrain and cams, no thanks. Unless I knew the actual full history of the items, ie a friend had them before, i wouldnt touch some random cunts cast off valvetrain for **** all.

Also means that they will be posted by the seller, and could be badly wrapped and be weakened/possibly snap. 900 pounds for full brain crower stage 2 valvetrain and cams seems pretty good value to me.

Wouldnt get the headskimmed and fit a thinner headgasket either. Headskim and OEM gasket IMO.

Clay the engine defo :nice:

But again why bother building the head/engine if your not going to get it mapped straight away :nono: no point spending money on building it then risking it driving about on some dodgy map with the AF miles out and possible det etc.
 



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But again why bother building the head/engine if your not going to get it mapped straight away :nono: no point spending money on building it then risking it driving about on some dodgy map with the AF miles out and possible det etc.
Good advice:nice:
 


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is any one runing b16b pistons with itr crank and conrods?? in there b16b block??

was going to run this with skunk 2 pro stage 1 or tuner stage 2s with a spoon head gasket and slight head skim!!that should leave comp about 12.4/1 is this correct??? valve springs and retainers obviously!!!! is this advaiable??

then map it all with my power fc commander??? will it make 220-225 bhp???
 

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Debatable advice here tbh

Secondhand valvetrain and cams, no thanks. Unless I knew the actual full history of the items, ie a friend had them before, i wouldnt touch some random cunts cast off valvetrain for **** all.

Also means that they will be posted by the seller, and could be badly wrapped and be weakened/possibly snap. 900 pounds for full brain crower stage 2 valvetrain and cams seems pretty good value to me.

Wouldnt get the headskimmed and fit a thinner headgasket either. Headskim and OEM gasket IMO.

Clay the engine defo :nice:

But again why bother building the head/engine if your not going to get it mapped straight away :nono: no point spending money on building it then risking it driving about on some dodgy map with the AF miles out and possible det etc.
second hand valve train....how many people across forums sell their B16b cams and ITR valve springs... and how many people buy them....? are you saying that theres been loads of horror stories about these items failing? uh...no

personally if it was my build id use an OEM gasket too but if HE wants to use one then why not, aslong as the engines been clayed and clearances checked why should that matter? your not an engine builder, neither am i, but i cant see why theres a problem with using that combo

Very bad advice.
i didnt mean for long and tbh you wont damage your engine as why would the AFRs be any where dangerous? it seems like people on honda forums think that their car will blow up when you dont spunk money on it ASAP

people on say peugeot forums know their car wont blow up even though its french and is more likely to!

how many people on here run an induction kit and exhaust without a remap....tut tut your AFRs are out and your engines guna blow up ahhhhhhhh:))

sure theres things you can and cant get away with but changing cams, driving for a couple hundred miles to makesure things are ok and in teh mean time worrying about getting your AFRs ****ing up your engine??:please:

there was a thread on here with someone dyno results and a engine was running slightly lean at the top, should it be corrected...yes, did it/has it ****ed up...no
 


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second hand valve train....how many people across forums sell their B16b cams and ITR valve springs... and how many people buy them....? are you saying that theres been loads of horror stories about these items failing? uh...no

personally if it was my build id use an OEM gasket too but if HE wants to use one then why not, aslong as the engines been clayed and clearances checked why should that matter? your not an engine builder, neither am i, but i cant see why theres a problem with using that combo



i didnt mean for long and tbh you wont damage your engine as why would the AFRs be any where dangerous? it seems like people on honda forums think that their car will blow up when you dont spunk money on it ASAP

people on say peugeot forums know their car wont blow up even though its french and is more likely to!

how many people on here run an induction kit and exhaust without a remap....tut tut your AFRs are out and your engines guna blow up ahhhhhhhh:))

sure theres things you can and cant get away with but changing cams, driving for a couple hundred miles to makesure things are ok and in teh mean time worrying about getting your AFRs ****ing up your engine??:please:

there was a thread on here with someone dyno results and a engine was running slightly lean at the top, should it be corrected...yes, did it/has it ****ed up...no
Raising engine compression and running stock ignition timing values theres a good chance your going to induce detonation, see how long your bottom end will like that;)
 


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sure theres things you can and cant get away with but changing cams, driving for a couple hundred miles to makesure things are ok and in teh mean time worrying about getting your AFRs ****ing up your engine??:please:
Idiotic advice.
 


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my engine is stroked and has standard ctr cams in it and along with a mugen airbox and buddyclub spec 3 cat back it made 227 bhp and nearly 170 ft/lbs torque.
so you could just stay with the standard cams for the min as its alot better than standard b16b and pulls like a train and down the line if u get bored you could upgrade ur cams then
 


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my engine is stroked and has standard ctr cams in it and along with a mugen airbox and buddyclub spec 3 cat back it made 227 bhp and nearly 170 ft/lbs torque.
so you could just stay with the standard cams for the min as its alot better than standard b16b and pulls like a train and down the line if u get bored you could upgrade ur cams then
170ft lbs torque:confused: I highly doubt it tbh. Let me guess TDP's dyno?
 


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in wouldnt expect mine to make that with the cams lad!!

think u got your figures in a luky bag!!! ha :)
 


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170ft lbs torque:confused: I highly doubt it tbh. Let me guess TDP's dyno?
Even if it wasnt TDP .... their interest in tuning Hondas and their dyno's output seem to have risen somewhat over the last 2 years :angry: . Sign of the times maybe..
 


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170ft lbs torque:confused: I highly doubt it tbh. Let me guess TDP's dyno?
Sorry the actual figure was 164.2...my bad.
And yea it was in TDP, wat about it?
Engine used to belong to a friend of mine who was on this Tango'd Civic and thats wat he got outta it

in wouldnt expect mine to make that with the cams lad!!

think u got your figures in a luky bag!!! ha :)
What ar u on bout lad? no need for the jealousy
 


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my engine is stroked and has standard ctr cams in it and along with a mugen airbox and buddyclub spec 3 cat back it made 227 bhp and nearly 170 ft/lbs torque.
so you could just stay with the standard cams for the min as its alot better than standard b16b and pulls like a train and down the line if u get bored you could upgrade ur cams then
Have you got a graph of your car man? Also are you using b16b pistons or b18c pistons?
 




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