2015 Civic Type R takes on Nurburgring


4 exhaust exits on a 4cylinder isn't cool IMO,
Also on the nurburgring pictures the car had wider front wings with like a brake vent behind them, where did that go?
Other than that its okay. A lot like the competition really.

These images are not official, I also mentioned this to the ATC guys on TDI norths FaceBook page, for some reason they think that the flared arches won't make production for design reasons, but I'm personally not so sure. I think Honda are going with function over form personally. We'll have to wait until the official press release to find out if they are incorporated. I'm pretty sure they will be added so I could say both of these images are 90% accurate.
 
Official images - The new Type R snapped at tochigi test track.
From what I remember ATC designs (creator of the unofficial images) called me stupid for saying the car had vented arches, I think this backs it up very clearly. :lol:

After looking over the car, In my opinion it's the worst looking Type R. Hopefully the performance overlooks it's .. looks.

GALLERY: Honda Civic Type R testing at Tochigi track Image 211294
 
i actually think its pretty cool looking, quite btcc-esque! hopefully it puts honda back at the top of the pile of hot hatches!

agreed that 4 exhausts is lame though!
 
"Having bailed out of Formula One and fast cars when a bunch of banking morons tried to take the world back to the Stone Age in 2008, Honda has had a seriously lack-lustre half decade. Now, with the new NSX a year or so away and an F1 engine deal with old partner McLaren locked in from the 2015, that mislaid mojo has been well and truly located.

And there’s good news in the real world, too. If you saw Honda’s brilliant Civic Type-R film a few months ago, you’ll have gathered at least two important things. Firstly, that after languishing in purgatory for a few years, there’s actually going to be a new Civic Type-R. And secondly, that it looks and sounds like a bit of an old-school turbo nutter b*****d.

Well now we know, because topgear.com has just done four laps of Honda’s Tochigi test track in a prototype, and if nothing else we’ve discovered a new cure for jet lag. This isn’t a car so much as a force of nature.

Although it’s no secret that the Japanese can sometimes be a little difficult to fathom, the new Civic Type-R’s mission is crystal clear: its creators won’t rest until this is the fastest hot hatch round the Nürburgring. In fact, they’re not going to go home until it turns in a sub-eight second lap of the Nordschleife. WTCC driver Gabriele Tarquini is getting close to that, which is a hell of an achievement for a 2.0-litre front drive hatch.

We’ve got nothing like the ’Ring’s hellish variety of twists and turns to play with today, but the genius of the new Type-R is that it feels bang on the money the second you put your foot on the clutch pedal. Not least because it actually has a clutch pedal, rather than flappy paddles. Its action, and the weight of all the other primary controls, is also satisfyingly abrupt. Type-R fans will be similarly thrilled to see the return of the titanium gear-knob, and the seats are brilliantly supportive semi-race jobs. Simply put, it feels right.

The engine is an all-new direct injection 2.0-litre single turbo four with VTEC and variable timing control producing – and this is the important bit – at least 280bhp. Project team leader Suechiro Hasshi won’t budge when pushed on the exact figure. ‘How much power? It’s 280bhp. More than 280, actually. People say that this is the limit owing to current suspension technology and the performance. But more is… not impossible.’

That’s that not settled, then.

It takes just the right amount of finesse to get the Type-R off the line smoothly, another sign that this is a true driver’s car. The gearbox is wrist-flicky if not rifle-bolt mechanical, and there’s a bit of lag at low revs. But then it wakes up like a small animal with something spicy on its bum. Between 2000 and 5000rpm, there’s close to 300lb ft of torque, and the red line whooshes into view in an addictively turbo-thrusty fashion, signalled by a green to red strip light in the instrument display. There’s also little sign of any torque steer, so whatever they’ve done to the front suspension is effective. (Hasshi won’t give that up, either.) It’s seriously grunty and punchy.

The Type-R retains the standard car’s torsion beam rear, which is likely to deny it the ultimate poise of the multi-linked Focus ST or Golf GTI. Consequently, it feels super stiff, even on Tochigi’s smooth tarmac, so God knows how that’ll translate to a blistered British B-road. But it has a fabulously pointy front end, turns in brilliantly, and feels properly joined-up. Push the little ‘R’ button nestling beside the steering column, and you get weightier steering, sharper throttle response, a reduced traction control threshold, and even less compliance from the dampers. Suddenly, you can see how sub-eight seconds round the ’Ring might be doable.

The Type-R also looks the business, sharky, fighty and downright mean, especially in the development car’s matt black finish. Some serious aero work has clearly gone on, work that is ongoing, according to Hasshi-san, in the search for optimum balance and stability. The exact shape and form of the rear wing is still evolving, and while the test car is wearing 235/35 Continental rubber on 19in rims, new tyres are being developed for the production car. Here are a few other random nuggets: a hybrid powertrain was never considered, despite Honda’s expertise, the final car will contain some aluminium in an effort to reduce weight, and the Civic Type-R is targeting best-in-class CO2 numbers.

‘It will become even more aggressive,’ Hasshi adds with a smile.

There’s only one downside, as far we can tell. The damn thing’s not due on sale until mid-2015."
 
Personally im not looking forward to it, i can see it drawing the same crowd as the ford ST / vxr etc, the people that have zero interest in cars just buy it because it had a good finance deal and "is so quik m8"

I would like to see it go to America, with what they do to Honda's over there I could imagine the aftermarket performance market for this exploding over there.

I understand this si where cars are going and i should be glad honda are even making a new type-r etc etc but i just can't see it being any better than the current boring 4cyl turbo'd hatches around.

If you take the honda goggles of for a sec you can see it's going to be another disconnected electric steering boring ride with 500000 airbags.

whether it's fast around the ring is regardless, if it doesn't make you feel like your a race driver everytime you get in it (which is what type-r should be about) then im not interested.
 
Personally im not looking forward to it, i can see it drawing the same crowd as the ford ST / vxr etc, the people that have zero interest in cars just buy it because it had a good finance deal and "is so quik m8"

I would like to see it go to America, with what they do to Honda's over there I could imagine the aftermarket performance market for this exploding over there.

I understand this si where cars are going and i should be glad honda are even making a new type-r etc etc but i just can't see it being any better than the current boring 4cyl turbo'd hatches around.

If you take the honda goggles of for a sec you can see it's going to be another disconnected electric steering boring ride with 500000 airbags.

whether it's fast around the ring is regardless, if it doesn't make you feel like your a race driver everytime you get in it (which is what type-r should be about) then im not interested.


Agree with this 100%. I have no interest in these fast turbo 4 cylinders really, or any new car for that fact. The only new Honda's I would be interested in is the CRZ and Clarity (if they ever bring it over) as I think these are great future thinking cars, but as for performance honda's and most other cars, I will almost always stick with late 80s and 90s cars.
 
Personally im not looking forward to it, i can see it drawing the same crowd as the ford ST / vxr etc, the people that have zero interest in cars just buy it because it had a good finance deal and "is so quik m8"

I would like to see it go to America, with what they do to Honda's over there I could imagine the aftermarket performance market for this exploding over there.

I understand this si where cars are going and i should be glad honda are even making a new type-r etc etc but i just can't see it being any better than the current boring 4cyl turbo'd hatches around.

If you take the honda goggles of for a sec you can see it's going to be another disconnected electric steering boring ride with 500000 airbags.

whether it's fast around the ring is regardless, if it doesn't make you feel like your a race driver everytime you get in it (which is what type-r should be about) then im not interested.


I was about to say i really like it and think it sounds good until i read th above which is about th best post i hav ever read!! Nothing will beat an EK9 at being such a good car as times hav changed so much.

Just not looking forward to driving around in my ek9 and hav sum chav arse wipe in one goading me for a race! Gna hav to b18 turbo my ek9 by thrn i think! Lol
 
Personally im not looking forward to it, i can see it drawing the same crowd as the ford ST / vxr etc, the people that have zero interest in cars just buy it because it had a good finance deal and "is so quik m8"

I would like to see it go to America, with what they do to Honda's over there I could imagine the aftermarket performance market for this exploding over there.

I understand this si where cars are going and i should be glad honda are even making a new type-r etc etc but i just can't see it being any better than the current boring 4cyl turbo'd hatches around.

If you take the honda goggles of for a sec you can see it's going to be another disconnected electric steering boring ride with 500000 airbags.

whether it's fast around the ring is regardless, if it doesn't make you feel like your a race driver everytime you get in it (which is what type-r should be about) then im not interested.

I agree, personally I think the car looks way over done on the exterior almost looking like a modern max power hatch. Again it will most likely be a very heavy typically modern car with unbelievable amounts of driver assists and safety features. The only positive about this car is that the Japanese may develop a more hardcore Type R as they normally do, it just means we would naturally have to import them. Also I have information that the 2.0L Turbo in the Type R will have direct injection WITH VTEC, from the sound clips I would suggest that redline on the car sits at 6k RPM so I'm not really sure how this new VTEC technology works, usually I tend to find cars with direct injection naturally rev a lot higher than car's without it and 9/10 cases car's with variable valve motion tend to also rev fairly high also (Mitsubishi/Mazda/Toyota/Renault) I'm assuming the direct injection is to provide better fuel flow and better output but combining this with VTEC doesn't really add up imo.

"Honda says that the new turbo engines will deliver performance and class leading fuel economy. All three of the new engines are direct-injection gasoline units and use VTEC technology inside providing variable valve motion. The new turbo VTEC engines will be used globally on various models."

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I agree, personally I think the car looks way over done on the exterior almost looking like a modern max power hatch. Again it will most likely be a very heavy typically modern car with unbelievable amounts of driver assists and safety features. The only positive about this car is that the Japanese may develop a more hardcore Type R as they normally do, it just means we would naturally have to import them. Also I have information that the 2.0L Turbo in the Type R will have direct injection WITH VTEC, from the sound clips I would suggest that redline on the car sits at 6k RPM so I'm not really sure how this new VTEC technology works, usually I tend to find cars with direct injection naturally rev a lot higher than car's without it and 9/10 cases car's with variable valve motion tend to also rev fairly high also (Mitsubishi/Mazda/Toyota/Renault) I'm assuming the direct injection is to provide better fuel flow and better output but combining this with VTEC doesn't really add up imo.

"Honda says that the new turbo engines will deliver performance and class leading fuel economy. All three of the new engines are direct-injection gasoline units and use VTEC technology inside providing variable valve motion. The new turbo VTEC engines will be used globally on various models."

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7Krpm according to the dials. Of course being a turbo you drive it to where the torque is so possibly you might not rev it to it's limit. But then again, if it is a VTEC then presumably they can have some racy cam profiles which would keep making power up to the rev limit.

I'll reserve judgement on the looks. I can't imagine it's the finished article looking at how the rear door chops into the wheel arch and a few other things like that. We'll see I guess though.
It does look ****ing aggressive though, which is good :)) and all the journalists who have driven it so far seem to say it feels pretty raw and pointy so hopefully they don't water that down before it hits the showroom.
 
this car will be amazing! 2.0 turbo vtec! 300bhp and one of the fastest FF cars out!
also the reason there is no high rev vtec is they couldnt get it pass exhaust test,
also times are changeing we are seeing normal hatch backs with the same power as the old jap muscle cars GTR,supra,nsx. we love out hondas good cars and we can still own them and have fun but this would be a great daily ;)
 
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this car will be amazing! 2.0 turbo vtec! 300bhp and one of the fastest FF cars out!
also the reason there is no high rev vtec is they couldnt get it pass exhaust test,
also times are changeing we are seeing normal hatch backs with the same power as the old jap muscle cars GTR,supra,nsx. we love out hondas good cars and we can still own them and have fun but this would be a great daily ;)

Never really see the point in a hatch with more than say 250 bhp. I even found 185 bhp enough. I suppose with all the added weight that these new cars carry they need the extra power and torque to get them moving. Id much prefer the light car smaller engine setup.
 
Lol. I guess that was a bit broad :))

I meant within the confines of performance cars. I mean technically there's no point in any of it but here a lot of us are ploughing money into cars to make them quicker. Just thought it a bit strange why you would think cars should be so quick but beyond that there's just no reason to want to go quicker.
 
Decent throttle control and mapping can make almost any amount if power drivable.
I know of a 700hp Zafira gsi that has traction in 2nd
 
According to evo magazine honda are looking to set the FF nurburgring lap record with this.....maybe it's going to be the first proper type R in a long time? Mechanical LSD is encouraging too. Also worth considering that the engine will probably typically over engineered, and with boost power increases will be so much easier to come by. If they can manage to get some decent fuel economy out of it it could be an awesome daily driver that can cover all bases.....
 
Th more i read about this car th more i want it as my daily in 2015!!! Lol so wish i cld keep th ek9 too :(
 
According to evo magazine honda are looking to set the FF nurburgring lap record with this.....maybe it's going to be the first proper type R in a long time? Mechanical LSD is encouraging too. Also worth considering that the engine will probably typically over engineered, and with boost power increases will be so much easier to come by. If they can manage to get some decent fuel economy out of it it could be an awesome daily driver that can cover all bases.....
IMHO it all stands or falls with how hardcore the Type R is. If it's just some-the next comfortable turbo cruiser (next to the likes of a Focus ST/RS, Megane RS, Golf GTI which aren't bad cars but just different kind) then it's no proper Type R to me. Cause the raw, communicative experience is imho what Type R stands for.

It's already a shame that the redline is @ 7k rpm :( Revving the life out of it is all part of the Type R experience and makes it stand out. Teggies can do 8000+ rpm with a turbo so why not on this Type R? Would be proper madness and insanity and a VERY unique USP.
 
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