getting more from - b16b??

[J Male]

The chap i bought my skunk cams off said that the tuner series are cheaper but not as good quality as the pro series range

 

[stevenEK9]

No, cams won't make a very big difference

tbh the engines are in a pretty high state of tune for a 1.6, for the cost you're betetr going B18

 

[VTec Performance]

so theres not much outside of turboing that will really make the b16b gain considerable more power..??

stroking to 1.8..wat parts from an itr wil i need?

a decent air intake, exhaust, leads and plugs will do there bit

along with a decent tune i.e hondata etc

thats as far i can go is it with regard tuning the b16b

thats as far as i can go is it??

 

[stevenEK9]

You can cam a B16B yes, although you're not going to make alot of power

A mate got some headwork done at CPL as well as new uprated valves/springs/retainers and the car tuned on S300. He even had skunk 2 cams to go in but they advised against it.... Think he made 194bhp on the rollers in the end

IF i was ever to sway from the B16B i'd run a B18 with uprated valvetrain, B16B pistons/cams and ITBs

 

[VTec Performance]

why would you put b16b pistons and cams into b18 man??

 

[stevenEK9]

B16B pistons for extra static compression

B16B cams as the intake cam is a bit wilder than B18C one

Quite content with the B16B though, goes better with the more weight i pull out the car

 

[iceman]

so theres not much outside of turboing that will really make the b16b gain considerable more power..??

stroking to 1.8..wat parts from an itr wil i need?

a decent air intake, exhaust, leads and plugs will do there bit

along with a decent tune i.e hondata etc

thats as far i can go is it with regard tuning the b16b

thats as far as i can go is it??

not so, im not gonna quote figures but study what race b16b run, very impressive, you can get b16b to generate more torque than stock b18c (with odd bolt on mod on b18c)

problem is that its very very expensive and from sensible approach its simply not sensible for majority

the work involved literally means re-enginering the b16b engine and not many know how to do this to give engine considerable more useable power and more reliable than oem engine

 

[Vtec6000]

200+whp is achievable with the b16b. The standard pct pistons would need to have there valve relief pockets deepened and widened towards outer edge of piston. Head would need to be ported and gas flowed for best results. Some flat face valve's, aftermarket valve springs+retainers and aggresive cams +adjustable cam gears. A good exhaust manifold like hytech or similar coupled with a larger diameter exhaust and decat.

 

[Wazer]

200+whp is achievable with the b16b. The standard pct pistons would need to have there valve relief pockets deepened and widened towards outer edge of piston. Head would need to be ported and gas flowed for best results. Some flat face valve's, aftermarket valve springs+retainers and aggresive cams +adjustable cam gears. A good exhaust manifold like hytech or similar coupled with a larger diameter exhaust and decat.

Easily, 200 WHP - I'm getting quite a bit of work done on my ek9, Getting 84mm (effectivly 2L) darton sleeves, w/ carillo rods, AEM ecu, B18 crank, and ITB's (make still to be decieded) Mfactory close ratio gear sets + FD - there some of the main items, keeping top end stock and Have been estimated @ 280hp. Should be interesting!

 

[Vtec6000]

Easily, 200 WHP - I'm getting quite a bit of work done on my ek9, Getting 84mm (effectivly 2L) darton sleeves, w/ carillo rods, AEM ecu, B18 crank, and ITB's (make still to be decieded) Mfactory close ratio gear sets + FD - there some of the main items, keeping top end stock and Have been estimated @ 280hp. Should be interesting!

Yes indeed should be very interesting. What compression will the engine be? You should start a build thread on here if haven't already

 

[Wazer]

Yeah I will do more towards the time I recon, compression will be anywhere inetween 13-14, so fairly H/c . Just after new year I'll get the ball rolling Can't wait to be honest! Will post up Dyno results and Vid aswell

 

[VTec Performance]

200+whp is achievable with the b16b. The standard pct pistons would need to have there valve relief pockets deepened and widened towards outer edge of piston. Head would need to be ported and gas flowed for best results. Some flat face valve's, aftermarket valve springs+retainers and aggresive cams +adjustable cam gears. A good exhaust manifold like hytech or similar coupled with a larger diameter exhaust and decat.

god wish i new my **** like yourself man, tryin to learn thou ha...

wat is meant by someone saying there sleeving there engine??

is it same as boring out the block for wider pistons??

and if i stroke the b16b it will be a 1.8 yea?? because the stroke is longer yea??

wat are piston relief pockets ?

and wat differnce do adjustable cam gears make over stock??

sorry bout all the q's

 

[VTec Performance]

Easily, 200 WHP - I'm getting quite a bit of work done on my ek9, Getting 84mm (effectivly 2L) darton sleeves, w/ carillo rods, AEM ecu, B18 crank, and ITB's (make still to be decieded) Mfactory close ratio gear sets + FD - there some of the main items, keeping top end stock and Have been estimated @ 280hp. Should be interesting!

280 bhp from b16b....ha legendary!!

wat you meam by close ration gears + FD...


and would final drive up bhp, or just give better acceleration??

 

[Wazer]

I've got close ratio gear sets from Mfactory, they are closer ratio than the standard s4c ones - therefore better acceleration however a dip in top end speed (maxing at 120Mph I beleive). These will increase acceleration more than anything.

 

[Vtec6000]

god wish i new my **** like yourself man, tryin to learn thou ha...

wat is meant by someone saying there sleeving there engine??

is it same as boring out the block for wider pistons??

and if i stroke the b16b it will be a 1.8 yea?? because the stroke is longer yea??

wat are piston relief pockets ?

and wat differnce do adjustable cam gears make over stock??

sorry bout all the q's

Sleeves are inside the block, its what your pistons travel up and down in.
Boring the block would be to widen the inner diameter of the sleeve to accept the larger piston. Might also be used if there was a heavy scratch in the bore where it was needed to remove some mass in order to remove it.

On the piston there is pockets which give clearance to the valve as it opens. Depending on the type of piston and its clearance at tdc along with the valve lift will determine how much of a relief is needed. See area circled red. Just to note not all pistons are of this shape.

When running large cams more power can be achieved by adjusting the angle at which the intake cam or exhaust is opening/closing the valves this is why adjustable cam gears are used as it allows us to adjust the angle of camshaft without effecting the timing belt arrangement. A engine should be clayed when running large cams to determine the max angle the cams can be adjusted without causing valve to valve or piston to valve clearance issues.

 

[Wazer]

god wish i new my **** like yourself man, tryin to learn thou ha...

wat is meant by someone saying there sleeving there engine??

is it same as boring out the block for wider pistons??

and if i stroke the b16b it will be a 1.8 yea?? because the stroke is longer yea??

wat are piston relief pockets ?

and wat differnce do adjustable cam gears make over stock??

sorry bout all the q's

In most cases if people are sleeving their engine, then they will be boring it out to house a bigger diameter piston, therefore more engine capacity will be aquired, also what V-tec said

If you stroke your engine, You'll have the 1,8 stroke something like 87.2mm over the 1,6 77,4m? Im not sure

Personally, the stock Ek9 cam's are very aggressive, however some people deceide they want bigger (Biggger the better eh), but in general they arn't are durable as the stock cams and can lead to more things going wrong.

 

[VTec Performance]

In most cases if people are sleeving their engine, then they will be boring it out to house a bigger diameter piston, therefore more engine capacity will be aquired, also what V-tec said

If you stroke your engine, You'll have the 1,8 stroke something like 87.2mm over the 1,6 77,4m? Im not sure

Personally, the stock Ek9 cam's are very aggressive, however some people deceide they want bigger (Biggger the better eh), but in general they arn't are durable as the stock cams and can lead to more things going wrong.

cheers for the info lads, i've alot to learn

would there be much point boring b16b out to 1.8 or 2litre when instead i couls stroke to 1.8 or use b20 2 litre block??

and if i did stroke to 1.8 i'll basicaly have a itr engine>>?>

 

[Wazer]

well with boring it, it'll still say B16B on the bottom end if you get what im saying and you'll get the bonus of a 2L engine + 1,8 stoke = more power

with regards to a B20b/z bottom end, It can only safely rev to say, 8300Rpm max (Rev limited on the CR-V), you'll need an aftermarket ECU to run it safely

And yes you would effectivly have a Teg engine, minus ECU though (i think) - someone correct me if im wrong

 

[D'janiero]

Easily, 200 WHP - I'm getting quite a bit of work done on my ek9, Getting 84mm (effectivly 2L) darton sleeves, w/ carillo rods, AEM ecu, B18 crank, and ITB's (make still to be decieded) Mfactory close ratio gear sets + FD - there some of the main items, keeping top end stock and Have been estimated @ 280hp. Should be interesting!

Sounds like an awesome setup man. Are you doing the build yourself?

 

[Wazer]

No, I won't be unfortunatly, However I want to get involved in it as much as I can - without becoming a hassle lol.