Why A B16b Rather Than B18c In The EK9?

[Kozy]

But what about straight line performance, especially let's say on a freeway, let's say from like 60mph/96.5kph to 80mph/128.7kph?

fyi: My primary focus is to inquire about straight line performance, be it 0-60, and/or 1/4 mile times. Not so much interested in auto-x, or track/lap racing.

*Cough*

Here's something I made up to compare the two. Have a fiddle with the settings and see how the two engines compare.

B16B vs B18C

 

[tama666]

k20!

lol

 

[AzAc54]

Id say B16b would be the perfect engine for your civic dude, enough power for such a light car, light and nibble and you'll still be able to throw it around corners and have a lot of fun in it. B18c might lead to loss of traction due to more torque but again it depends on what modifications you plan on doing to the engine? Just my input

 

[tama666]

Id say B16b would be the perfect engine for your civic dude, enough power for such a light car, light and nibble and you'll still be able to throw it around corners and have a lot of fun in it. B18c might lead to loss of traction due to more torque but again it depends on what modifications you plan on doing to the engine? Just my input

no loss of traction over a b16...

 

[rinnaye]

Id say B16b would be the perfect engine for your civic dude, enough power for such a light car, light and nibble and you'll still be able to throw it around corners and have a lot of fun in it. B18c might lead to loss of traction due to more torque but again it depends on what modifications you plan on doing to the engine? Just my input

Great Point!

Why just today, I do remember reading somewhere how this loss of traction can be a factor in lighter cars with more torquey engines, so I believe this fact, is to be yet another net positive in my ultimate choice to go with the B16b, over the B18c.

Thx.

 

[tama666]

Great Point!

Why just today, I do remember reading somewhere how this loss of traction can be a factor in lighter cars with more torquey engines, so I believe this fact, is to be yet another net positive in my ultimate choice to go with the B16b, over the B18c.

Thx.

lol
I know for a fact that the loss of traction would only happen on a hard launch, but even so, the B16 vs B18 it would be the same. No loss once past 1st gear.


Hummm only 5 posts. lol

 

[AzAc54]

Im not saying you're going to spin the wheels through every gear before everyone gets butthurt about it but yeah stick with the B16b, nice car btw man very clean

 

[Kozy]

What about the gear ratios?

 

[rinnaye]

Im not saying you're going to spin the wheels through every gear before everyone gets butthurt about it but yeah stick with the B16b, nice car btw man very clean

Thanks for the compliments, and for the sound advice.

From earlier reading, I came across a story about how too much torque in a lighter chassis Civic may lead to the driver ending up in a ditch, coming out of a curve, thanks to having too much torque, which is yet another reason why it may make better sense to keep the B16b. Not my experience, but does seem logical.

 

[Kozy]

Sometimes, I feel like I'm talking to myself on this forum...

 

[AzAc54]

Thanks for the compliments, and for the sound advice.

From earlier reading, I came across a story about how too much torque in a lighter chassis Civic may lead to the driver ending up in a ditch, coming out of a curve, thanks to having too much torque, which is yet another reason why it may make better sense to keep the B16b. Not my experience, but does seem logical.

No worries man thats what we're hear for Not my experience either but had it in mind haha

 

[rinnaye]

What about the gear ratios?

B16b, mated to cable Y1 tranny, with LS 5th, 0.714. Final drive is I believe 4.266

The Y1 tranny I'm using, seems to have the identical gear ratios as the USDM S80 tranny of the ITR.

 

[rinnaye]

Sometimes, I feel like I'm talking to myself on this forum...

Sorry for the delay in my reply.

You're talking about about 15lbft, hardly a torque monster.

Here's something I made up to compare the two. Have a fiddle with the settings and see how the two engines compare.

B16B vs B18C

I was actually taking quite some time to the site you provided.

Thanks very much for that.

Rene

 

[jesse888]

Aren't those ratios alittle long? 0.714 with 4.266 Fd comes to a top speed of 202mph with a 195/55/15 tyre and 8800rpm rev limit. going to be like hitting a brick wall changing to 5th lol

 

[Kozy]

Sorry for the delay in my reply.

I was actually taking quite some time to the site you provided.

Thanks very much for that.

Rene

No worries. Is it telling you what you were looking for?

 

[rinnaye]

No worries. Is it telling you what you were looking for?

Outside of a few rather trollish replies, I'd have to say indeed. Thanks!

From what I gather so far, it seems the consensus would point to the biggest reasons why Honda chose to go with a de-stroked version of their most venerable engine, was to keep things in perspective, by not out doing their flagship sports car, with the likes of a lesser model, and also to have a model that would be able to compete on the 1600cc racing circuits.

 

[nfspeedy]

That's one reason. The flagship type r-dc2- was hondas main performance car. It would look silly if the civic was faster.

Another reason was to compete in the 1600cc racing class in Japan.

thats what I believe too. In fact Honda put different engines in the different type R models. like B16B in EK9, C30A in NA1, B18C-R in DC2, H22A7 in CH1. First with the K20A engine there are different Type R models with the same engine (size).

 

[ELora]

I guess the reason why no b18c in the ek9 is because honda doesn't wanted to mixed up their tyupe r line up
I don't know if you remember the old honda legend (acura legend in canada and US) honda wanted to put a bigger engine in it but if the engine is bigger there's a possibility that the legend will be more powerful than the flagship back then the nsx
I imagine that honda decided to put a b16b as a logical choice in the type r range
since we know that the integra was true sport compact car compare to the civic wich was made as an entry level car in some country (in canada until 2005)
volkwagen made that mistake to put the vr6 in every cars so the corrado wasn't unique after that the golf could compete with it wich was a suicidal choice from volkswagen
well to me it was a line up choice that's all and fortunately it's easy to swap!

that's my point maybe I'm wrong but I guess that in car industrie it works like this

I have a b18c in my car I would take a b16b if I had a ek9 or eg6 chassis
I choose the b18c for the power and the ratio price/power (4500 b18c and the same price for the b16b)

 

[rinnaye]

Aren't those ratios alittle long? 0.714 with 4.266 Fd comes to a top speed of 202mph with a 195/55/15 tyre and 8800rpm rev limit. going to be like hitting a brick wall changing to 5th lol

Yes they are.

The LS 5th is a pretty popular mod in many circles from what I've read in other forums. This is a purposeful mod for those of us who would still like to take advantage of decent mpg, for our daily drivers. It's great for me, because I figure any exhilarated performance I may partake in, will most likely take place in most every gear but 5th.

 

[rs250nut]

Sometimes, I feel like I'm talking to myself on this forum...

You are most of the time, most peeps on this forum are more concerned if their jdm bling looks bad man, and if it is possible if they can have da boostzzzzzzzzzz, ya get me bruv