Anyone driven an RX-7 ?


ek9chris

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One of my mates and me are looking for something for the track. I don't want to use my EK9 when it arrives as I don't want to ruin it, and we've been looking to buy an RX-7. With prices now as little as £4k in some cases I'm thinking it would be a pretty good base car. Has anyone got any experience in driving/owning one of these and can fill me in with some more info.

Cheers Chris
 
I wouldnt recommend getting one if you dont know much about them, they are fragile if not kept properly. Excellent choice of car, but be wary of the fact that engine rebuilds are common when the car hasnt been treated as it should.
 
Certainly don't know a whole lot about them, I appreciate the rotor tips are pretty fragile, and the piping for the twin turbo set up is hugely complex, but that's about as deep as my knowledge goes. Had a ride round the Ring a month ago in a 420 bhp one and was blown away, hence why thinking about one for a track toy.
Should I be looking at spending a bit more to get one that's already had a rebuild? Or simply wouldn't recommend one for someone with limited experience ?
 
.....and be prepared to spend £££ on fuel :)

Lol will be track only and trailered there so hopefully shouldn't run up too much on that front. Prepared to go through tyres pretty quick though!
 
4000 quid sounds like its the FC3S model...with single turbo...this model is known to have problems with the apex seals...

The later FD3S came in many guises and has a stronger engine overall.

Check info on it at wiki....that would be my starting advise....

As the others have said, those marvelous rotary engines come with a hefty cost..it burns petrol and engine oil because the operating principle of a wankel (rotary) engine makes it a little like a 2 stroke engine...I would suggest that if you want to go FR, try a Toyota SW20.
 
4000 quid sounds like its the FC3S model...with single turbo...this model is known to have problems with the apex seals...

The later FD3S came in many guises and has a stronger engine overall.

Check info on it at wiki....that would be my starting advise....

As the others have said, those marvelous rotary engines come with a hefty cost..it burns petrol and engine oil because the operating principle of a wankel (rotary) engine makes it a little like a 2 stroke engine...I would suggest that if you want to go FR, try a Toyota SW20.

i didnt see anyone mention it was an FC3S, if it is £4k is too much
 
"DRIFTR" on this site has a heavily modified rx7 for the track, should speak to him:nice:
 
No was talking FD3S with twin turbos , not the earlier shape one. Really just surprised how little you can build one into a track car for. The one I went out in was only worth about £6k and it was more than fast enough.
 
ek9chris, they are fast and bloody savage in corners. It really is a car that requires a bit of getting used to to fully appreciate it, however I say this from experience as my dad owned one, it is a really thirsty engine and you should do a lot of research on its rotary. might seem dull to you but that engine is powerful but very delicate. You need to know how to treat it, that is when you can give it some revs, the timing, how to let it cool down properly. small things that aren't routine on a normal engine but they are crucial for a rotary.

2nd of all, do some research mechanically, coz that car will empty your pocket if you can't put your own work into it. If you run around other shops, trust me it will become a costly car. Other than that, it really is a savage beast and very good looking IMO. Lots of bodykits around that really make it look the bollocks!!
 
I wouldnt recommend getting one if you dont know much about them, they are fragile if not kept properly. Excellent choice of car, but be wary of the fact that engine rebuilds are common when the car hasnt been treated as it should.

i love the rx-7 i have driven them many times, but what SB says is 100% true.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys, always an answer for anything, this site is simple awesome.
 
i didnt see anyone mention it was an FC3S, if it is £4k is too much

My apologies. Obviously I've forgotten how much 4000 quid is now in the U.K. :angry2:

I see, so it is the FD3S. Ahh... there are a whole host of modifications for this beast. In fact, if you are getting version 2 which should have around 260bhp it doesn't actually require much modification to make it reliable on the track. One good thing about this version called Series 7 is the upgraded 16-bit ECU which is a lot easier to deal with in respect to boosting. I second what divinu said about this car.

For starters I recommend keeping the engine itself as stock as possible to maintain reliability. If you get your hands on a relatively stock one the essential things you could do at first are:

Exhaust System (well of course)
Coilovers more specifically
Control arms to adjust front camber
Brake Discs and Pads, the calipers are good enough for starters
Radiator, very important on this car
Some gauges and electronics such as boost controller, timer

The rest can be done after...

Just make sure to buy Rotary specific engine oil and jobs a gooden!

Enjoy!
 
I had an FD for 4 years and sold it to get the EK9. They have dropped in price so much recently and a really nice stock/near stock FD can be had for £4-6k.

Don't be too put off by the scare stories (except the one about fuel consumption lol), if treated well they are great cars - mine was 100% reliable as a road and track car and went over 80k miles before rebuild time.

I found the car a real pleasure to drive both on road and track, for me at least the driving position is spot on, power delivery from the twin turbos is smooth and progressive and the handling is sublime :)

Stuff to be aware of:

There are basically 2 things that kill a rotary engine - det and overheating. Det can be relatively easily avoided by using good fuel and having a mappable ECU like an Apexi Power FC (and good intake temps as I'll come on to), but heat is the real problem especially on track. You've got 3 things to worry about - oil temp, water temp and intake temp.

Oil temp - the stock twin turbos are oil cooled, and oil is also used to cool the inside of the rotor's combustion faces. Get a Type R model with twin oil coolers, this makes a big difference.

Water temp - the stock rad is an ok size, but especially on older cars will have lost efficiency so an upgrade to an all-alloy one is recommended, or at least a re-core. Unfortunately upgrades are not especially cheap but very worthwhile.

Intake temp - this is the key to good performance and reliability. Unfortunately the stock FD3S is quite compromised for cooling as a plain road car, let alone as a track car. The stock intercooler is tiny and doesn't get direct cold air flow, and the twin turbos chuck out a scary amount of heat into the engine bay. Luckily the stock airbox is very well designed and has quite a good cold air access. Beware induction kits that suck hot air straight out the back of the rad - not good!

Probably the most cost-effective way of improving intake temps is to use water/methanol injection (check out Water injection systems, Methanol injection systems : Aquamist for more info) which will dramatically reduce air temps going into the inlet manifold and if you use methanol mix will also raise the effective RON rating of the fuel preventing detonation. My mate used methanol injection to great effect, he saw inlet temps of -11oC in autumn once :shocked: and got frost on the plenum!

To keep an eye on all the above definitely get an oil temp gauge as the car doesn't have one, and also get a water temp gauge as although one is fitted as standard it's crap and won't tell you it's getting hot until the damage has been done... I'd also get a boost gauge to monitor the quite complex twin turbo boost pattern and ensure you're not overboosting, which can happen with open intake and exhaust.

Edit - oh, forgot to mention to keep an eye on intake temps you can use the Power FC Commander display thingy which reads the stock Air Temp sensor.

That lot should definitely help the engine life, also use a good oil as has been mentioned - Silkolene Pro S 10W40 is great and although a synthetic has the right mix of chemicals not to damage the engine seals and o-rings (Mazda used to say only use a mineral oil but technically they are inferior to modern synthetics).

Otherwise I'd really mostly echo previous mod advice, the geometry is nicely adjustable anyway so unless you are planning on drifting or want Touring Car styles of negative camber you really just need to focus on good coilovers.

Pettit Racing in the States produced quite a useful geometry chart - I used to use the Long Track Event setup with 17"s on road and track which was a good compromise.

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Finally, good trackday tyres like Toyo R888 or similar make a huge difference.

As you might appreciate, all the above plus prior recommendations will not be cheap, so your initial £4k purchase price could double or more quite easily.

Sorry for the long post - hope it helps!

Cheers,
Alex
 
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My uncle owns one (his is a FD3S Twin turbo), awesome to drive but you would need to master it on a track as the rear wheel factor is dangerous, i personally think the fd3s is the best looking Japanese car, the 13B-REW two rotor engine is something on another level, i heard the mpeg of a rx7 twin turbo is around 17 :angry2:Look for a RX7 with a recent build and only a little miles since the re-build, as on most forums it is said they last to about 60,000 miles.:nice:

Good luck in your quest EK9Chris:drive:
 
My first trackday was with my RX-7, and rear wheel drive is nothing to be scared about as long as a) the car is set up properly and b) you use common sense and build up speed gradually.

Unless you get one with a large single turbo conversion, the twin turbos are 255 - 276 BHP as stock (depending on age) so not massively powerful really. With trackday tyres the grip can easily handle the power.

Oh, and on track you'll be looking at single or low double figure MPG, 17 is about right for around town, 21 is typical for motorway driving :shocked:

Cheers,
Alex
 
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Thanks for such useful information alex, just the sort of stuff I needed to know.

Cheers Chris
 
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