24mm rear swaybar


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hondacivic90ed

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I currently have the ASR rear subframe brace and ASR 24mm rear swaybar. The swaybar bushings are worn out causing a noise over bumps and the design of the swaybar bushing mounting is not good. I want to replace the rear swaybar with either the Cusco 24mm or the Mugen 24mm but I'm not sure of what d-link brackets to use. My car is a 1999 Civic hatchback Dx USDM spec. If anyone has any information on this it would help me a lot.
 
i think u can use back ur ASR d link bracket... same size rit...
 
tecque said:
i think u can use back ur ASR d link bracket... same size rit...
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It is the same size, however the way the ASR bracket mounts the bushing is different. The ASR swaybar has washers tack welded onto it. These washers serve as locks to the bushings to keep them within the D-brackets on one side. The d-brackets that come with the ASR swaybar are open on one side, so if you put the d-links on backward, the bushings could just slide out. The bushings are held in on one side by the brackets and on the other by the tack welded washer. The Mugen and Cusco 24mm rear swaybar is free-floating in the bushings meaning the swaybar can move freely back and forth without affecting the bushings mounting or binding them. I'm just looking to figure out which oem d-links will work with a 24mm rear swaybar. I'm thinking it has to be the CTR or ITR 22mm d-links but let me know if I'm wrong.
 
Why not just buy new bushings? Why do you want to buy a new sway bar?
 
ASR has a NEW designed d cup and bushing out that almost indestructible check them out.:nice:
 
chet baker said:
ASR has a NEW designed d cup and bushing out that almost indestructible check them out.:nice:
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can you give us link?

hondacivic90ed, this is the first negative feedback i see for the ASR kit. Can you elaborate your experience in terms of car use and time you have the kit on? Is it track-hard use or street moderate one? Have the bushings been worn, cracked or what?
 
i don't have a link but JDMpassord , weaksauceparts .....has them

ASR SUBFRAME BRACE W/ 24MM SWAY BAR COMBO - 90-93 INTEGRA :: ASR :: HONDA/ACURA :: SUBFRAME/SWAYBAR KIT :: SUSPENSION :: weksos industries

I had a problem with my old 18mm Cusco sway bar sliding in the D-brackets all the way right or left then staying there. I bought the ASR 24mm bar and kit and with the improved D-brackets and [washer] welded on both ends there no chance of too much movement .

my set up :nice:


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that is the ASR swaybar I have with those d-brackets and I know I may be the only one ever, that I find hard to believe, but I still think that the pass-through bushing setup is superior as it mirrors the oem. just my 2 cents.
 
this is mine
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i think we have the same. Still i wasn't aware of a different pattern. Hope it doesn't fail.
 
well I finally got under the car today and removed the ASR swaybar because I couldn't stand listening to the annoying noise over every bump in the road and here is what I found. The bushings had worn away the powdercoat/paint on the swaybar where they were around it, which can certainly be expected with 15k + of regularly driven miles. The noise was the welded washer banging into the asr brace as the bushing didn't allow enough clearance between the bar's washers and the brace. This was evidenced by the marks on the brace and the worn shiny parts of the washer on the swaybar. The bushings also allowed the swaybar to move more than it should. I removed the swaybar, no more noise. I'm currently waiting on my Cusco swaybar in the mail. So for all the naysayers, I wasn't trying to shoot down the asr parts, but there is a better way and it isn't making the bushing mounts over-engineered and bulky, there simply is no need and it has proven to be more of a problem than an un necessary improvement in my opinion.
 
ok but this must be the first negative review i read. I have found several different layout of the asr kit. Which one is yours?
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my asr kit that was on my car, a 1999 Honda civic dx hatchback, was the exact same one pictured previously that you said was your setup. I bought it last summer, maybe in July from jhpusa.com .

It was the 24mm ASR swaybar/rear chassis reinforcement brace as a package and it came with the parts shown in the picture that you posted, one aluminum brace (I bought it black because I didn't want to show it off, my car is mostly stock looking), 4 bolts 2 long 2 short, 2 aluminum d-brackets, 1 swaybar, 2 poly bushings, and the endlinks which lasted roughly 1 day on the car before I took them off due to the noise they created as the heim joints were so loose that no amount of pretension put on them by adjusting them would prevent the joint from rotating back and forth and making a clanging noise like I had bells under my car.

Again, if you've had good luck with them then great, but I just can't believe I am the only one that ever had an issue with it. I know the install was done correctly, it is a very very simple job that someone like myself (not boasting) would have no issue completing successfully. I worked for 7 years as a honda technician at a honda dealership and have modified almost every bit of suspension on my other *nicer* 1990 honda hatchback with no issues.

I used Neuspeed swaybars front and rear, tein type ss w/ pillowball, skunk 2 front, rear camber kit, neuspeed front rear tie bars, cusco front lower tie bar, energy susp. full kit except rear trailing arms were mugen hard bushings, quaife steering rack.

I purchased the ITR rear d-link brackets for the 24mm cusco swaybar and hope that the bushings are just smaller on the od to accept the d-links for the 22mm stock ITR bar. I used the logic that the post about the cusco bar on this site on the CTR that also is equipped with the 22mm rear bar stock reused his stock d-links when installing the cusco bar. So I hope that my logic works out ok. If you or anyone has any different ideas on it let me know but I won't be 100% sure until the bar gets here with the bushings.
 
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I made a couple attempts to via email and instant messege but I received no response and honestly didn't expect much in the way of help as most people assumed that I had done something wrong in the way of installing it and it couldn't have possibly been the design. I haven't heard anything but praise for the ASR products but so far for me its 1 for 2, the brace is great, the swaybar is not. It would help if the ASR page had a phone number listed.
 
i can barely understand the structural problem that you describe. Help me with this
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The circled point in the swaybar is meant to stop the bushing from moving from its place during excessive moves, however it is already sealed from the d-bracket strong enough i want to believe. The only problem i could think of in this pattern is that there is no such stop on the other inner side to hold the bushing. I assume that if there was another 'stop' the embracing of the bushing would be better. But since its not there there must be a reason for this.

What can i say. I don't want to judge your experience but it's very weird. If there was any structural deficit then people would have spread the news. I hope mine doesn't fail..

Have a look at this and tell me if i get the picture
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When you corner, power is exerted on the end links and d-brackets and bushings. Since there is a stop on the outer side of the swaybar holding the bracket i can see no issues. So the white arrow seems ok to me. As for the red one the lack of stopping on the inner side may cause the slipping of the bar?? This is the only problem i can think of and maybe only when the bushing is worn apart, too soft or cracked.


I' ve read for broken end links in your set up..Is this true? Because if it is then you might purchased a faulty product which you should send back and claim for a refund or something. There is 1 year warranty i think.

Snap oversteer isn't an issue for me as for now, but you should tell us about your coilover set up as well.




Something irrelevant. If busings or end links go bad can we obtain these for asr dealers as separate parts?
 
I'm sorry, I may have put too much information on there than needed. The ASR swaybar and rear brace are on the 1999 civic hatchback. Other than a Suspension Techniques front swaybar there is no other modification to the suspension on that car at all.

The endlinks that came with the ASR bar moved too freely and caused noise constantly, so not that they were broken, they did do their intended job, but also caused so much noise I couldn't deal with them and replaced them with factory 01-05 civic ex rear swaybar endlinks. This fixed the endlink noise problem and when I removed the swaybar the other day they appeared perfectly fine, no binding, no looseness.

In the picture you have posted where you placed arrows and circles, the washer in the circle was contacting the brace where the washer is closest to the brace. This is the noise I was hearing everytime I went over a bump. You can see a piece of the washer that was worn completely through the paint and is shiny and on the brace exactly where the washer was a matching section showing the contact area. The only way that it wasn't a problem before and is now is that the bushings wore enough to allow that washer to come into contact with the brace.

I don't know if its an issue with the bushing material or the design of the washer/ d-link brackets. I've never seen anyone else design a swaybar that actively restrains the bushings movements. Ususally the oem uses bends in the swaybar to prevent movement laterally and the aftermarket mirrors them. I hope that clears up any questions you had.

To look at the bushings they don't seem to worn out but they must have some wear on them to have not allowed the contact between the washer and brace when installed and then eventually did allow it to contact. I'm not sure. I'm just hoping my Cusco setup yeilds the results I'm looking for quietly.
 
ok it seems clearer now. But i would rather change the bushing than order a new swaybar at least i would give it a chance. Still i think that one factor you should consider is the stock suspension. Apart from ek9, other civics have ridiculously soft spring rates and shock dumpening that i think might put excessive pressure on the swaybars... Just imagine that 2mm bigger swaybar 22-->24mm is quite noticeable and the power exerted too. The difference is even greater as asr swaybar is a solid one.
 
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