Declaring Engine Swap?


Ally138

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Hey, I'm planning on doing an engine swap in the near future. Was just wondering if any of yous have eclared the conversion your insurer and dvla. How much did your premium increase by if you did? :nerv: and is it risky keeping it on the down low? :secret:

Ally
 
Hey, I'm planning on doing an engine swap in the near future. Was just wondering if any of yous have eclared the conversion your insurer and dvla. How much did your premium increase by if you did? :nerv: and is it risky keeping it on the down low? :secret:

Ally

very risky keeping it on the down low,at some stage the police will catch onto it and if your caught your f**ked.Plus if you end up crashing into someone your not insured
 
You should be banned. You're the reason I have to pay a ridiculous insurance premium.

If there were less people like you, then you might be able to insure a fast car legally.

Edit: Sorry for the rage, must be my time of the month! :)
 
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to be honest i would declare it as u dont wanna get into more trouble than it is worth !
 
You should be banned. You're the reason I have to pay a ridiculous insurance premium.

If there were less people like you, then you might be able to insure a fast car legally.

Bit harsh there Luke, he didn't say he wasn't declaring it

I'd imagine you could get away with declaring a b16 as a b18 purely because they look the same. However, it is very risky and as said lots of people won't be impressed with not declaring.

Also i don't know anyone who will insure engine swaps at a reasonable price if you are still in your early twenties
 
lol cheers for reply. after being told i should be banned. i think i'll just crash my civic into someone =\ WHILE BEING UNINSURED =P

my luck has been terrible so I DO plan to declare anyways. Was just wondering =\ I have been quoting online and declared my mods (alloys, exhaust, bonnet etc). and what kinda increase in premiums are we talking about. say for example:

you insure the civic and it's 1.4 non vtec. then you swap a b16 into it and declare this. assuming you have declared this to your insurer, how much did your premium increase by?

AND SORRY IF THIS POST HAS OFFENDED ANYONE
 
how old are you? if your under 22 i doubt anyone would insure you on an engine swap to be honest
 
lol cheers for reply. after being told i should be banned. i think i'll just crash my civic into someone =\ WHILE BEING UNINSURED =P

my luck has been terrible so I DO plan to declare anyways. Was just wondering =\ I have been quoting online and declared my mods (alloys, exhaust, bonnet etc). and what kinda increase in premiums are we talking about. say for example:

you insure the civic and it's 1.4 non vtec. then you swap a b16 into it and declare this. assuming you have declared this to your insurer, how much did your premium increase by?

AND SORRY IF THIS POST HAS OFFENDED ANYONE


Used to work in insurance.

put simply if you have a 1.4 EJ9 and you put a B16 in it, they simply won't insure you at your age.. even if they do they will price yo uout as they won't want to insure you
worse still the insurance companies will try and price you out so they don't have to insure you...

IIRC mod's raise your premium as follows.
this was Ford insure underwritten by aviva
From 2008 when i worked there.

Aftermarket Suspension lowering springs + 15%
Big brakes + 15%
Exhuast + 10%
Air filter + 10%
cams + 20%
Engine management system + 20%
as far as i can remember engine transplant was ???% meaning regarding what it was it was up to the insurer what they quote you.

there are specific insurers who will quote you better than that for modded car's, people like Adrian Flux for instance..

Someone said about B16 - B18 as they look the same.....

Any Decent cop or vehicle inspector will know where to check the engine code agasin't the chassis number for the correct engine..... even a google search will show this..

To be honest you wouldn;'t be the first person who didn't declare it although alot of people on the forum will take moral high grouind on this one i believe there are a lot on the forum who have not delcared a single mod to their car.

The way i see it mate is that with things like insurance you really shouldn't F*** about as by you making it cheaper for yourself by £500 a year for example this still isn't enough to account for the loss of someones pride and joy... if this were to happen and your insurer did not pay out i'm sure you would be VERY hapy to pay that extra £500 if it meant that that person could have they're car back and it would mean you didn't go to prison...
PUT like that and most people wake up about it.. its not something to be laughed at either... i know people who have been hit by uninsured drivers and it nearly ruined their life tbh...


simple terms : NOT WORTH IT buddy.. i'm not ranting at you just telling how it is from experience... which is what you asked.

also i don't get why this happens.... for years i wanted a civic Vtec and i only got one when i could afford to insure it fully and above board...

Why not just wait till you can afford a Civic EK4 or an EK9

the money you spend on insuring the mod's could save up over 2 years to buy an EK4 !!!!
 
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Bit mean I suppose but I've been fecking about with insurance recently and the prices are ridiculous no matter what car you drive and they're meant to go up by 20% this year again.

When talking to Sky a while back, if you do an engine swap they give you an estimate based on the car it came from - so if you put a B16b in it then it'll be around the same price as EK9 insurance, probably more. I know it's the last thing you want to hear, but in the long-run it'd be better to sell the car and buy a VTI or something.

Hope that's more helpful than my previous posting :)
 
yeah man you are right but an ek9 is set up for the b16b an ej9 with the b16b is a different story.
i'll say one thing - DRUM BRAKES

as CW said.. so much more cost effective to sell up and buy a vti..

good luck with what ever you choose ... :))
 
I think you're going to need to talk to a specialist insurer. They're going to want to hear you talk about brake and suspension upgrades as well as the engine.
As for the DVLA, last time I did one, I updated the log book and sent it off with the new engine number.
 
how old are you? if your under 22 i doubt anyone would insure you on an engine swap to be honest

i'm 22, 23 in august

thanks for the reply. good to hear from other people's opinions! Champ White, I could understand how you (and many other drivers) get frustrated over these ridiculous insurance premiums. It's pretty crap how they can just make up some crap excuse just to bump up prices.

and thanks chris, the info was interesting. may think about another plan but shall wait and see how things go.
 
Used to work in insurance.

put simply if you have a 1.4 EJ9 and you put a B16 in it, they simply won't insure you at your age.. even if they do they will price yo uout as they won't want to insure you
worse still the insurance companies will try and price you out so they don't have to insure you...

IIRC mod's raise your premium as follows.
this was Ford insure underwritten by aviva
From 2008 when i worked there.

Aftermarket Suspension lowering springs + 15%
Big brakes + 15%
Exhuast + 10%
Air filter + 10%
cams + 20%
Engine management system + 20%
as far as i can remember engine transplant was ???% meaning regarding what it was it was up to the insurer what they quote you.


My company start insuring engine conversions for 19 year olds but it will depend on the risk presented.

Your figures above are on the high side in comparison to a modified specialist.
 
Your figures above are on the high side in comparison to a modified specialist.
( IIRC ) If i remember correctly ... 2008 Prices from FORD insure underwritten by AVIVA.. prices from 3 years ago will be very different to todays prices...
Ford insure as i'm sure you are aware deal mostly with older people insuring brand new ford's...also they are not a moddified specialist so they're prices will be high...
 
For reference, if it helps at all...

(I think it might have been sky that quoted me.. or adrian flux, one of the specialists anyway)

On my EG K20a, I was quoted in the region of £1200-1500.

& I was 20/21 at the time
 
Would you Have to hang your logbook from civic ej9 to civic vti??

What is the legal procedure to do this??
 
No because you're still using the same chassis. All you have to do is fill in the "Engine code/number" section and send it off.
 
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