Nurburgring 2010 EK9.org trip.
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Did this, all sorted now. The best thing is it will also cover me for driving to France for skiing in a few weeks
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Not long guys i'm getting excited with all the car prep.... 
Can you PM me again?
Woo hoo! It is excellent cover
I'm very interested in comming along.
@Ijwhiteman:
I've sent you a PM, dit you read it yet?
Thanks!
Can you PM me again?
Did this, all sorted now. The best thing is it will also cover me for driving to France for skiing in a few weeks
Dunx
Woo hoo! It is excellent cover
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Hi mate i'm sorry all places are taken.
We have a
8,6,4,3 villa apartments and they are all filled.
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I have a friend that will be tagging on with us and is sorting out his own accommodation at a British run hotel. If you are interested i will get the details.
Duncan
Oops he is Busamad, posted above
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hi all,
sorry to sway the thread abit off course but im goin to the ring at the end of may (first time) and am a little confused about the insurance side of things...i just rang my insurance company, im covered to drive in europe but not on the ring, so now for where i am confused is....some people have said they didnt take out any insurance when they went, yet ive just read that you have to have insurance to go on the ring!? are any of u going over with no track insurance?
am i right in believing that you have to have insurance to drive in europe to go on the ring, and wether or not you have track insurance is down to the driver? just wana make sure cuz its along way to go to find out you cant get on the ring! sorry again to sway it off course but you guys seem to know what your on about when it comes to the ring.
have a good trip.
cheers
sorry to sway the thread abit off course but im goin to the ring at the end of may (first time) and am a little confused about the insurance side of things...i just rang my insurance company, im covered to drive in europe but not on the ring, so now for where i am confused is....some people have said they didnt take out any insurance when they went, yet ive just read that you have to have insurance to go on the ring!? are any of u going over with no track insurance?
am i right in believing that you have to have insurance to drive in europe to go on the ring, and wether or not you have track insurance is down to the driver? just wana make sure cuz its along way to go to find out you cant get on the ring! sorry again to sway it off course but you guys seem to know what your on about when it comes to the ring.
have a good trip.
cheers
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Please please please tell me you did not ask your insurance company to insure you arround the ring???
No one is technically covered properly! But technically if they don't say your not then you are because the Nurburgring is determined as a "TOLL ROAD" not a Race track. So providing the insurance does not state NO TOLL ROAD or NOT ON THE NURBURGRING you are covered... However ANY insurance company will do there best not to pay out.
Drive the green hell at your own risk whilst being prepared for a hefty bill. At worst if your insurance company won't repair your car they are obliged to repair third party providing they have not stated the above clauses.
HOWEVER be prepared for a battle!!!
I have herd of some private companies doing RING specific insurance. Have not herd where? how? or how much?... All i know is its expensive!
My advise
DON'T DRIVE LIKE A TWAT!
BE PREPARED FOR AN EXPENSIVE BILL IF THE WORST HAPPENS
ENJOY YOURSELF YOUR NOT BEING PAID TO DRIVE IT!!! NO RECORDS WILL BE BROKEN!
That is all
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Good advise Steve! Its a long way home! When ever i've done timings my Mrs's has done it on the sly so i don't know about it! You don't need that added pressure! Have FUN thats what it is all about
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One very good TIP that I read in a magazine once!
"There are only two barriers you need to worry about... The Left and the Right"
Have respect for the place it will bite!
"There are only two barriers you need to worry about... The Left and the Right"
Have respect for the place it will bite!
Right guys!
my adac is sorted.
ordered plugs / filters / yellowstuff pads / rbf600 / spare tyres / rear strut and magnetic sump plugs today, off to DMS tomorrow to get some slotted dixcel discs and will be booking ferry / villa tomorrow too, so things falling into place nicely for me this week
Good advice above, sure we've all seen the 7second nurburgring expereince video... that's how not to do it !
my adac is sorted.
ordered plugs / filters / yellowstuff pads / rbf600 / spare tyres / rear strut and magnetic sump plugs today, off to DMS tomorrow to get some slotted dixcel discs and will be booking ferry / villa tomorrow too, so things falling into place nicely for me this week
Good advice above, sure we've all seen the 7second nurburgring expereince video... that's how not to do it !
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Right guys!
my adac is sorted.
ordered plugs / filters / yellowstuff pads / rbf600 / spare tyres / rear strut and magnetic sump plugs today, off to DMS tomorrow to get some slotted dixcel discs and will be booking ferry / villa tomorrow too, so things falling into place nicely for me this week
Good advice above, sure we've all seen the 7second nurburgring expereince video... that's how not to do it !
Excellent work buddy!
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Info added to first page dug out from an old post by Bazza
What will I need?
EHIC - European Health Insurance Cover
V5
Breakdown Cover
European Cover for your car
Valid Tax
Valid MOT
How do I ge there?
Here are the popular Ferry routes:
Dover - Calais
Dover - Boulogne
Hull - Rotterdam
There is also a Newcastle to Rotterdam service I believe. Ideal for Scottish members.
Anyone wanting to fly in, Cologne (Koln) and Frunkfurt airports are both within easy driving distance.
The Ring is situation in the Effel mountain region of Germany. Around 4.5 hours from Calais/Boulogne and around 2.5 hours from Rotterdam.
Hotels
Motorsport Hotel - 45 Euro per person, per night - double room 65 Euro
Edgar's Place - 27 Euro per person, per night including breakfast and parking
I would never recommend just turning up and trying to find a place, prices will go up with demand! Bank Holiday weekends is always more expensive. Mid-week in August in 2007 I think I paid 40 Euro a night with breakfast at the Motorsport and June this year I paid 27 Euro a night with breakfast at Edgar's place.
Food
Nurburg and Adenau are home to several restaurants. Its cheap as chips too! How does a big Pizza and drinks for under a tenner sound?
I know the good places (and im sure other regular Ring'ers do too) and the bad so don't worry about eating Sausage every night.
Ring etiquette
Remember that its an unristricted German toll road, so German road rules apply. Overtake on the left only and by consent only. Drivers will let you past by indicating over to the right and slowing down. However, you will get the odd ego muppet with a 400bhp barge that will just squirt away down the straights and leave your torqueless little Civic behind - and again, you'll catch him in a corner and again, be annoyed he won't get out of your way! This is not uncommon, back off for 30 seconds and continue you're lap.
If you are first on the scene of any incident/accident you MUST stop and offer assistance. Get the ring HQ hut on your mobile phone.
I recommend getting a Halfords European driving kit and some high-vis vests. You can slow the traffic down by waving the yellow vests at the drivers of oncoming traffic to warn them that there has been an accident ahead.
There are well over 100 corners on the ring and some of them are BLIND! Always be careful when exiting your vehicle and remember, a car at 100mph cannot stop in 10 yards, NEVER wonder onto the track. Good drivers (most of them not British) slow down for accidents, apply hazards etc. Remain off the track and continue to walk away from the accident enough to slow the cars down in time. No need to walk 2km from the accident. Common sense privails.
Anyone overtaking on the wrong side will get banned for the day (if caught) and a right ticking off (anyone who knows the Ring will know how legendary the traffic guys are - makes Anne Widdicombe look like a Telly Tubby) from the Ring staff.
How much is a lap?
It was 22 Euro a ticket 4, 8, 16 and 24 lap tickets are available. A yearly pass is also available for a price. The more laps you buy in one hit, the cheaper the ticket. Each lap ticket is valid for that year. I still have a few laps left on my ticket from July
If I crash, what happens?
If you do have an "off" you'll be expected to pay for:
- the barrier (300 Euro a metre IIRC)
- recovery from the track - expensive!
- loss of earnings if the track has to close
- grass seed and cleaning up fees if you drag crap over the track
- cleaning up fees if you dump oil or coolant
The last thing you want lying in a hospital bed is a 10,000 Euro bill for the above. Remember that when driving!
I got passed by a 1989 Golf shitbox, how can this be?
Forget BHP figures, forget flash badges, forget about the 1000 Gran Turismo laps you've done, forget about you're mate Dave in the passenger seat G'ing you on.
All of this is irrelevant. Nothing can replace the combination of driver skill and experience of the Ring. There is always going to be someone miles faster in a lower powered car. They know the track, they know their car - they can carry far more speed than an unexperienced Ring driver.
Go out with an open mind and with nothing to prove and you'll have miles more fun than trying to be the fastest.
Can I record or time my lap?
Recording is strictly forbidden on the Ring without a media pass approved by the Ring HQ. If you get caught filming you'll get banned for the day (in some cases, for 2 or 3 days). The Ring are even looking on Youtube now and some drivers have had bans for previous laps recorded!
Timing can end in tears also, with so much traffic and variables on the ring, drivers cannot help but push on to make up for lost time behind a slow twat or a legal slow down zone for an accident. My advice is to take it steady and forget about times until you can link every corner together in your sleep, backwards
Are there any speed limits on the Ring?
Yes - 2 fixed speed limits. The first is entering Adenau Bridge (official name Breidshied) - a limit is shown there as bikes/cars can join the ring at this point (you loose a full lap from your ticket though!) - great for a quick ride back to the top of the mountain.
The second place is just after the "gantry" on the final straight. Speed limits are in place here to slow cars down before coming off the track after a completed lap. Nobody seems to pay much attention to these and you do get a lot of twats in high powered cars (that's right, the ones you overtook 3km back) opening their cars right up to hit their top speed along this straightaway. Pointless, and if you were involved in an accident, German law (see above) would be applied. Remember this!
How can I make my car faster on the Ring?
Again, forget about chasing power figures or bolting a turbo on, it won't make you much faster. Practice makes perfect! Main things to improve lap times:
- quality brake pads, discs, lines and fluid.
- good quality tyres, avoid semi slicks until you've got plenty of track experience
- make sure all bushes (inc engine mounts) are in good shape - you'd be surprised how much time is lost through poor, weathered bushes
A standard EK9 with the above is going to be a good fun and educational car. Please, don't spend £2000 on go faster bits before you go. Its pointless.
Are passenger laps allowed?
Yes - I would advise sitting in with experienced drivers for a few laps before going out for your "virgin" lap. I also advise having an experienced driver sit with you for your first few laps.
The white "dots" are the rings best kept secret, these link turn in points to apexi's to exit "aim" points. Ideal for a first timer. Or even someone with extensive Ring experience. The dots are generic and for faster cars or cars with more power or grip they may not be perfect, but they sure help drivers link corners together without straining the car (tyres, brakes, suspension etc).
Do I need to wear a helmet?
Strictly speaking, no. I would advise it for safety reasons though.
I would also advise not wearing thin t-shirts or shorts. In the event of an accident the last thing you want is glass cutting your arms and legs to bits!
Helmets can be bought from Demon Tweaks and other leading internet retails. However, I do recommend getting one from a shop where you can "try before you buy". Open faced helmets are best for visability.
Closed/visor types can be offputting for new track drivers as sound and vision is impaired.
What will I need?
EHIC - European Health Insurance Cover
V5
Breakdown Cover
European Cover for your car
Valid Tax
Valid MOT
How do I ge there?
Here are the popular Ferry routes:
Dover - Calais
Dover - Boulogne
Hull - Rotterdam
There is also a Newcastle to Rotterdam service I believe. Ideal for Scottish members.
Anyone wanting to fly in, Cologne (Koln) and Frunkfurt airports are both within easy driving distance.
The Ring is situation in the Effel mountain region of Germany. Around 4.5 hours from Calais/Boulogne and around 2.5 hours from Rotterdam.
Hotels
Motorsport Hotel - 45 Euro per person, per night - double room 65 Euro
Edgar's Place - 27 Euro per person, per night including breakfast and parking
I would never recommend just turning up and trying to find a place, prices will go up with demand! Bank Holiday weekends is always more expensive. Mid-week in August in 2007 I think I paid 40 Euro a night with breakfast at the Motorsport and June this year I paid 27 Euro a night with breakfast at Edgar's place.
Food
Nurburg and Adenau are home to several restaurants. Its cheap as chips too! How does a big Pizza and drinks for under a tenner sound?
I know the good places (and im sure other regular Ring'ers do too) and the bad so don't worry about eating Sausage every night.
Ring etiquette
Remember that its an unristricted German toll road, so German road rules apply. Overtake on the left only and by consent only. Drivers will let you past by indicating over to the right and slowing down. However, you will get the odd ego muppet with a 400bhp barge that will just squirt away down the straights and leave your torqueless little Civic behind - and again, you'll catch him in a corner and again, be annoyed he won't get out of your way! This is not uncommon, back off for 30 seconds and continue you're lap.
If you are first on the scene of any incident/accident you MUST stop and offer assistance. Get the ring HQ hut on your mobile phone.
I recommend getting a Halfords European driving kit and some high-vis vests. You can slow the traffic down by waving the yellow vests at the drivers of oncoming traffic to warn them that there has been an accident ahead.
There are well over 100 corners on the ring and some of them are BLIND! Always be careful when exiting your vehicle and remember, a car at 100mph cannot stop in 10 yards, NEVER wonder onto the track. Good drivers (most of them not British) slow down for accidents, apply hazards etc. Remain off the track and continue to walk away from the accident enough to slow the cars down in time. No need to walk 2km from the accident. Common sense privails.
Anyone overtaking on the wrong side will get banned for the day (if caught) and a right ticking off (anyone who knows the Ring will know how legendary the traffic guys are - makes Anne Widdicombe look like a Telly Tubby) from the Ring staff.
How much is a lap?
It was 22 Euro a ticket 4, 8, 16 and 24 lap tickets are available. A yearly pass is also available for a price. The more laps you buy in one hit, the cheaper the ticket. Each lap ticket is valid for that year. I still have a few laps left on my ticket from July
If I crash, what happens?
If you do have an "off" you'll be expected to pay for:
- the barrier (300 Euro a metre IIRC)
- recovery from the track - expensive!
- loss of earnings if the track has to close
- grass seed and cleaning up fees if you drag crap over the track
- cleaning up fees if you dump oil or coolant
The last thing you want lying in a hospital bed is a 10,000 Euro bill for the above. Remember that when driving!
I got passed by a 1989 Golf shitbox, how can this be?
Forget BHP figures, forget flash badges, forget about the 1000 Gran Turismo laps you've done, forget about you're mate Dave in the passenger seat G'ing you on.
All of this is irrelevant. Nothing can replace the combination of driver skill and experience of the Ring. There is always going to be someone miles faster in a lower powered car. They know the track, they know their car - they can carry far more speed than an unexperienced Ring driver.
Go out with an open mind and with nothing to prove and you'll have miles more fun than trying to be the fastest.
Can I record or time my lap?
Recording is strictly forbidden on the Ring without a media pass approved by the Ring HQ. If you get caught filming you'll get banned for the day (in some cases, for 2 or 3 days). The Ring are even looking on Youtube now and some drivers have had bans for previous laps recorded!
Timing can end in tears also, with so much traffic and variables on the ring, drivers cannot help but push on to make up for lost time behind a slow twat or a legal slow down zone for an accident. My advice is to take it steady and forget about times until you can link every corner together in your sleep, backwards
Are there any speed limits on the Ring?
Yes - 2 fixed speed limits. The first is entering Adenau Bridge (official name Breidshied) - a limit is shown there as bikes/cars can join the ring at this point (you loose a full lap from your ticket though!) - great for a quick ride back to the top of the mountain.
The second place is just after the "gantry" on the final straight. Speed limits are in place here to slow cars down before coming off the track after a completed lap. Nobody seems to pay much attention to these and you do get a lot of twats in high powered cars (that's right, the ones you overtook 3km back) opening their cars right up to hit their top speed along this straightaway. Pointless, and if you were involved in an accident, German law (see above) would be applied. Remember this!
How can I make my car faster on the Ring?
Again, forget about chasing power figures or bolting a turbo on, it won't make you much faster. Practice makes perfect! Main things to improve lap times:
- quality brake pads, discs, lines and fluid.
- good quality tyres, avoid semi slicks until you've got plenty of track experience
- make sure all bushes (inc engine mounts) are in good shape - you'd be surprised how much time is lost through poor, weathered bushes
A standard EK9 with the above is going to be a good fun and educational car. Please, don't spend £2000 on go faster bits before you go. Its pointless.
Are passenger laps allowed?
Yes - I would advise sitting in with experienced drivers for a few laps before going out for your "virgin" lap. I also advise having an experienced driver sit with you for your first few laps.
The white "dots" are the rings best kept secret, these link turn in points to apexi's to exit "aim" points. Ideal for a first timer. Or even someone with extensive Ring experience. The dots are generic and for faster cars or cars with more power or grip they may not be perfect, but they sure help drivers link corners together without straining the car (tyres, brakes, suspension etc).
Do I need to wear a helmet?
Strictly speaking, no. I would advise it for safety reasons though.
I would also advise not wearing thin t-shirts or shorts. In the event of an accident the last thing you want is glass cutting your arms and legs to bits!
Helmets can be bought from Demon Tweaks and other leading internet retails. However, I do recommend getting one from a shop where you can "try before you buy". Open faced helmets are best for visability.
Closed/visor types can be offputting for new track drivers as sound and vision is impaired.
