My B18C-R EK9 review


So technically your mate could just be a **** driver? LOL

:D
 
lol dick!

He is actually a pretty decent driver, can hammer a car well, although he is being really cautious with his MR2 on the corners, he has only owned it for about 1 month and his first RWD car........
 
Oh..

Worth taking his time then.

When the backend goes...well...especially with all that weight at the back!
 
yeah too right. When they loose it they are virtually impossible to bring back... You need to know what your doing with that car when pushing it...... My brother used to have one and he used to push his hard. Although he has nuts of steel and is a pretty talented driver.
 
Mr2 turbo is a very twitchy car, but goes very well with the right driver I agree. But its not funny anymore when it becomes an overpowered short wheel based MR car.
 
kamakazi said:
You do realise that you wont have a higher torque reading like you state below?

Torque cant be geussed like the Fly horse readings.

The torque reading you have of 125lb/ft is the torque reading, regardless of Wheel or Fly readings.
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Hold on hold on..........

Ive had a little think about it comparing reading etc on other cars on the day i dynod my car and what you say doesnt actually match up at all.

My bros VR6 made 167WHP/165lbs torque. Another dyno read 195BHP(fly) and 189lbs torque. Which is right as them engines produce pretty much equal power/torque. But what your saying is he would have 165lbs and 195BHP? no sense.

My mates MR2 turbo got 226WHP/220lbs. They are renound for also having equal torque, i have a 3SGTE engine that produces more torque then BHP so i know! That would mean he has 220lbs and around 265BHP???

The same applies to a few other cars i was with that day which i had a look at their graphs and they all read the same. It would only make sense the torque reading where at the wheels. Why would you not loose torque through transmission anyway? I mean im not saying your wrong as i dont know 100% but it doesnt match up at all.

The B18CR comes with around 137lbs torque if i remember correctly. Im not being funny but my B16B was at around 120lbs torque with the same mods i have on the B18CR currently. There is no bloody way in hell i have only gained 5lbs torque!!! LOL.. I have I/H/E and im way under the stock torque reading? but my BHP is just fine?? you can feel it has really impressive torque. Not 5lbs more worth.

It pulls much harder anywhere in the revs. Even very very low.

I would say it makes sense im on at least 140lbs torque if not more.

Sorry, it just occured to me. Feel free to put in your input.
 
What about if you ran EK9 intake cam on the B18C-R ?

The exhaust cam is the same, just the intake one thats different, would this help still retain the crossover and high revving feel?

Mate may have a 38k B18C-R JDM engine up for grabs and i've let him know i'm interested but i dont want to loose that high revving feel :((
 
Who ever has an EK9 with a B18CR engine installed and says they prefer and wish they had the B16B instead beats me personally.

B18 still feels like a really revvy vtec engine. You still rev to the same point and the noise is beautiful! All it feels like is you have much more power everywhere and you can really feel the torque. In my eyes thats a great thing.

IMO there is nothing to miss. At first its a little strange driving the same car with a different feel, but it only gets better. Ive taken a load of people in my car since the conversion and they think its not even questionable whats better. B18CR is just a more powerful B16B. There can be no negative side to that unless you dont like extra power.

B18C = High revvy feel just like the B16B. Just the B16B feels more like its relying on revs so your mind thinks its revving harder as thats where all the power is and what you wait for. Whilst in the B18CR you dont feel a need to always hit the vtec to feel a nice surge of power.

In the B18CR its a pleasure and exciting to drive before vtec and then on vtec it pulls even much harder.

B16B on the other hand, there is NO pleasure driving before vtec, but on vtec there is. B18CR also pulls harder on Vtec then the B16B on vtec. In fact i think its fair to say the B18CR pulls as hard on 4.5K as the B16B does on say around 7K....

Hope that helps with some confusion...

Ive had it for over a week now and driving loads already so i have a much better opinion as appose to the first impression.
 
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Thanks for that :)

I love driving my dads FD2 as you can feel the midrange power so easier to drive, even had a play with a 997 turbo which resulted in it woosing out and an overtake :lol:

But i know what you mean, the EK9 feels a little more on the edge top end as its got so much less torque and all the power is high up the revs so you feel that youre going faster when youre not, you just have less torque, haha

But the mods i have may also contribute to the feeling since the spoon n1 SCREAMS top end.....

Reckon that a B18C serviced with all new everything will be awesome though :)

BTW, did all the connectors plug up ok? Just a harness adaptor required to run the different ecu?
 
stevenEK9 said:
Thanks for that :)

I love driving my dads FD2 as you can feel the midrange power so easier to drive, even had a play with a 997 turbo which resulted in it woosing out and an overtake :lol:

But i know what you mean, the EK9 feels a little more on the edge top end as its got so much less torque and all the power is high up the revs so you feel that youre going faster when youre not, you just have less torque, haha

But the mods i have may also contribute to the feeling since the spoon n1 SCREAMS top end.....

Reckon that a B18C serviced with all new everything will be awesome though :)

BTW, did all the connectors plug up ok? Just a harness adaptor required to run the different ecu?
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Oh believe me the B18CR at 8K rips and pulls friggin hard. Feels much faster the B16B even higher in the rev range. The B16B doesnt feel quicker in any way. Just feels like your revving for longer due to it taking longer to eat through the gear. So you think your revving harder. (if im making sense) :lol:

All the connectors matched up spot on. I used the engine harness from the B18CR and connected up to the original EK9 wiring loom. I also did not need a harness adapter as the pre-faclift EK9 uses the same harness as the 98 spec DC2. So that plummed stright in to. So used the DC2 ECU.
 
sweet, mine is a pre facelift and the car its out is a 98 spec, will use my loom though.

Know what you mean though, B16B is good but does struggle down low, cheers for the help :nice:
 
So I need a conversion harness for my facelift? I was told I did not?

I'll check the ECU one day!
 
Gee said:
So I need a conversion harness for my facelift? I was told I did not?

I'll check the ECU one day!
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The ITR's runs a obd2a and your facelift EK9 runs obd2b,

You will have go with the ITR conversion harness :nice:
 
I love reading your Opinion on the B18 now EK9dan Compared to when i was telling you all your telling everyone else now!
Really glad you are so happy wit the swap mate!
We will have to get a EK9.org meet for everyone sorted soon!
 
EK9dan said:
Who ever has an EK9 with a B18CR engine installed and says they prefer and wish they had the B16B instead beats me personally.

B18 still feels like a really revvy vtec engine. You still rev to the same point and the noise is beautiful! All it feels like is you have much more power everywhere and you can really feel the torque. In my eyes thats a great thing.

IMO there is nothing to miss. At first its a little strange driving the same car with a different feel, but it only gets better. Ive taken a load of people in my car since the conversion and they think its not even questionable whats better. B18CR is just a more powerful B16B. There can be no negative side to that unless you dont like extra power.

B18C = High revvy feel just like the B16B. Just the B16B feels more like its relying on revs so your mind thinks its revving harder as thats where all the power is and what you wait for. Whilst in the B18CR you dont feel a need to always hit the vtec to feel a nice surge of power.

In the B18CR its a pleasure and exciting to drive before vtec and then on vtec it pulls even much harder.

B16B on the other hand, there is NO pleasure driving before vtec, but on vtec there is. B18CR also pulls harder on Vtec then the B16B on vtec. In fact i think its fair to say the B18CR pulls as hard on 4.5K as the B16B does on say around 7K....

Hope that helps with some confusion...

Ive had it for over a week now and driving loads already so i have a much better opinion as appose to the first impression.
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This is what I've been trying to say on the forum for who knows how long... people just cant swallow the facts on paper, but once theyve experienced and compared a B16B to a B18C they end up swallowing all their words. Only then, they understand.


Stevenek9: 98spec b18C already has the B16B cams. Its only the 96spec that has 3 degrees less duration. Nothing in it mate. You can't feel the difference.

Jimbob: x2 lol @ ek9dan
 
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Haha, we should all quote Dan's before and after comments, LOL :D
 
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