B16b lost to a gsr?


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Ok so recently i raced with a buddies gsr and we had quite a few runs and I kept loosing any reason?

Mods on my b16b (eg)
4-1 Mugen jasma header
Pw JDM whale ***** intake
2.25 piping with megan muffler ( with cat)
Stock ecu, vtec frog
 
exhaust need to be 2.5 inch

not saying thats why you lost

dont know anything about the GSR to comment on that

or what a GSR is tbh
 
GSR is the american version? I do believe its heavier, all I know.. At the end of the day though - What mods does he have just out of curiosity mate?
 
GSR is what B18C (non Type R) Integras are called in the US. Basically an SiR-G or whatever.
 
He is basically stock, just a full buddclub spec exhaust, stock intake and no tune.

Yes GSR = b18c(no type r)
 
It could be down to a number of factors really, one being the driver and maybe who gets the best start another could be gear changes. If its not because of any of those reasons then the GSR may have more power or simply torque than your b16b. What age is the engine and is it in good condition?


Just for a comparison my ek9 with DC2 airbox, manifold, spoon axle back and standard ecu is the same speed as my old healthy Integra Type-R with similar mods plus a remap (205bhp) both on the drag strip and on the track, Proven:nice: My ek9 should be slightly heavier than your eg and the DC2 Type-r should definitally be a bit quicker than a GSR
 
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It's time to face the facts.

A modded 1.8 will always make more torque than a 1.6

It's not surprising guys, it's normal.

A b18 non type r fits right in between a b16b and b18cR.
 
It's time to face the facts.

A modded 1.8 will always make more torque than a 1.6

It's not surprising guys, it's normal.

A b18 non type r fits right in between a b16b and b18cR.
 
And what I have said all along it's torque that wins races. Gsr/sir tegs are no slouch I drove a bog standard one and it pulled very well.
 
I guess he just has more power and torque. And more torque on the same principle engine will definitely make it a bit faster.

How much do you loose by? Rolling starts? what gears does he pull in? All gears or just higher up?
 
My motor is a 98 with ctr tranny and a exedy stage 1 clutch, it was from 1st gear and bam I had the lead then everytime he used to take a 2 car lead after i shift into 3rd.

My b16b is in very good shape, daily driven, idles perfect, burns a little oil in vtec as most B's do and I was told it only had 67k on it.

Also I know I'm loosing power somewhere, my friend had a b16b in his eg with a spoon chip and that thing used to easily take b18c and b18cr
 
There may be a number of variables here so it might not be possible to answer your question fully. However here are some possible explanations:

1. His car is more powerful than yours.
2. He has quicker reaction times than you.
3. He is a better driver than you.

It could be one of the above factors however it may also be a combination of all three.
 
no matter what.

mods for mods, a B18 non type R is will pull away from a B16B. Even if they both make the same whp, the B18 will have more torque.

A EG B16B is lighter, thats no brainer.

your car shouldnt be loosing any power according to your mods.

If you went for a 2.5" cat back, you'd loose bottom and mid range power/torque but gain from 7000rpm on a stock internals B16B.

Nothing is wrong with your car. The B18 has more torque. If your not convinced, take his car for a spin.
 
Alright sweet that's what I wanted to make sure, I will be putting in a test pipe and fix the leak where the header meets the cat, and then stroking or jrsc for a fun dd
 
My EK9 has some expensive parts done to it like
Toda headers,
Comptech Ice box,
custom variable diameter cat back,
Spoon Drive shafts,
4.785FD,
Spoon high tension cables,
ACT flywheel,
bit of weight reductions

and guess what?
It couldnt keep up against my bone stock 2001 DC2R 59,000kms, which only had a spoon filter drop in.

Don't worry dude. Drive a B18C swap or DC2R one day, and it will clear your thoughts on the difference.
 
jugbugz said:
My EK9 has some expensive parts done to it like
Toda headers,
Comptech Ice box,
custom variable diameter cat back,
Spoon Drive shafts,
4.785FD,
Spoon high tension cables,
ACT flywheel,
bit of weight reductions

and guess what?
It couldnt keep up against my bone stock 2001 DC2R 59,000kms, which only had a spoon filter drop in.

Don't worry dude. Drive a B18C swap or DC2R one day, and it will clear your thoughts on the difference.
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Im not wanting to start a debate on what is quicker between ek9s and dc2s etc but what you are saying is not completely true as its not as simple as what you are saying about dc2 always being quicker than ek9 with b16b


I have had a fair bit of experience owning a few hondas including a healthy dc2 and now a b16b ek9.
A friend of mine now owns my old dc2 and when you put my ek9 against it both off the mark and rolling start there is absolutely nothing between the two and this is the same on the track. I have also had a run against another friends fresh import 98 spec dc2 with decat, cat-back exhaust and I started to slightly edge after 4th gear. Also been up against a 240bhp ep3 and it was very similar to my old dc2 until 4th gear when the ep3 started to edge due to the lower ratio 6speed box.

My ek9 was rr'd at 189bhp/171bhp @wheels and has the rear seats, spare wheel & jack and aircon all removed,lighter spoon n1 exhaust, carbon mirrors, 4.78fd and lowered 50mm.


I know of another ek9 that has mostly mugen mods but still a b16b and it is also the same speed as other dc2s

The b16b is underated by some imo:naughty:
 
SPek9 said:
Im not wanting to start a debate on what is quicker between ek9s and dc2s etc but what you are saying is not completely true as its not as simple as what you are saying about dc2 always being quicker than ek9 with b16b


I have had a fair bit of experience owning a few hondas including a healthy dc2 and now a b16b ek9.
A friend of mine now owns my old dc2 and when you put my ek9 against it both off the mark and rolling start there is absolutely nothing between the two and this is the same on the track. I have also had a run against another friends fresh import 98 spec dc2 with decat, cat-back exhaust and I started to slightly edge after 4th gear. Also been up against a 240bhp ep3 and it was very similar to my old dc2 until 4th gear when the ep3 started to edge due to the lower ratio 6speed box.

My ek9 was rr'd at 189bhp/171bhp @wheels and has the rear seats, spare wheel & jack and aircon all removed,lighter spoon n1 exhaust, carbon mirrors, 4.78fd and lowered 50mm.


I know of another ek9 that has mostly mugen mods but still a b16b and it is also the same speed as other dc2s

The b16b is underated by some imo:naughty:
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Its not I dont believe you, but maybe I should share with you this story.

We had about 6 DC2Rs at a meet, all mild modded etc and 1 bone stock.
They all had a standing start drag over and over 1 vs 1, and in the end guess which car was the fastest and pulled away?

The bone stock DC2R.

It even shows on best motoring stock EK9 vs Stock DC2R 400m drag. Ek9 got pawned.

Just because a car is modded, doesnt mean its faster in every aspect. Modding affects power curve which is what you see on a dyno sheet.
a 180whp B16 would loose to a 170whp B16 that has more mid range torque and hp. Thats been proven here locally at the 1/4 mile drags. Theres so many variations but people tend to think of it too simply.

The conclusion to the story is, its not always how much you spend on the car, its the combination of parts based on the application of your car.

Heck, if you had $2000 dollars to spend on the EK9 with no future mods ever later. I'd get a 2.36" exhuast system, 2.5" twin loop, headers and mugen intake. And the car would pawn most ek9s out there, simply because the combination works well and makes more power from 1000rpm throughout to the redline.
 
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jugbugz said:
a 180whp B16 would loose to a 170whp B16 that has more mid range torque and hp. Thats been proven here locally at the 1/4 mile drags.
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Exactly what I have been trying to tell people torque is a major factor, people get to caught up on bhp thinking it's the end all of everything.
 
Vtec6000 said:
Exactly what I have been trying to tell people torque is a major factor, people get to caught up on bhp thinking it's the end all of everything.
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If it was all so simple then our cars could compete with SPOON EK9... :wow:

Its not just torque, but needs HP to deliver it. A car with more Mid range HP would naturally have more mid range torque curve.

The Stock Type Rs have a nice all round power curve on the dyno. When you see modded cars dyno sheets, lots of their curves looks fuct up. Yet theyre happy with the 200whp peak figure, but get pawned later on the road by a 190whp car.

Then there are some of those magical 200whp power graphs that have amazing power delivery! Thats the difference and is all the difference!
 
Its the old saying of "Horsepower sells engines Torque wins races."
 
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