target 200whp or above


sorry my fren....i have abandon this project because i wanna sell my EK body...Fyi, i got the CRX body and need to refurbish first before put my engine....
For the next setup have a diff. previous setup...i planned to using standalone management for the next time...My plan at Jun 2010 my car can be running...awaiting a budget do this project...

as long as we can share to everybody how to get 200whp on dyno dynamic...
ntahlerz : what ur the next setup to get 200whp..we can share n change the opinion in this thread...
 
my target is to get highest horsepower in stock form 1st.which is 200whp or close.next plan?maybe port and polish job..70mm tb..upgrade to hondata or neptune..hondata intake gasket.air funnel from front bumper...waiting for budget to fall from the sky.. :)

wish could have a 2 door eg chasis..heheh..coz my car is daily driven for work.so, can't go all out.
 
ok...good idea to achieve ur goal....do u have planned to change aftermarket camshaft and using the higher RON? Base on your previous setup plus with ur future plan can get 200 whp...

I hope u can get the best price for dolphin, because the price still high due to high demand for the time being...
 
tecque said:
yo bro... y suddenly sell ur ek??? how s ur crx now?
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need a lot of money for my CRX and have another comitment need to do..now store the CRX at my member garage...after my EK sell, i will start the project to refurbish CRX body first,and continue with suspension setup...
 
crx is brutal...hehehe...btw, what is your objective with the crx?drag?track?or street fighter?
 
My Crx is for Drag purposes..and planned to participate MUSC Drag Challenge at Cyberjaya,KL..But dunno where can participate that...hehehe...U have participated any event?
 
no..my car is not for competition.juz self fulfillment... :) but i would like to go to the track in a proper racing car..or at least tuned for the track...y don't u join the sepang drag battle?
 
i will think about that...should be try for 300m first....the next plan for Sepang drag battle...U always join the trackday?
 
trackday?never...heheh...at least not yet... don't want to take risk damaging my one and only ride...but would love too..you?
 
several problems with the parts list.

The JDM 4-1 is a good header for the money, but it's definitely a choking point for any car hoping to make 200whp on any dyno nevermind the dyno dynamics.

Speaking of which - the statement of using a dyno dynamics only because it reads lower is beyond hilarious. It all comes down to the consistency of the numbers and what is available to the tuner and their specific preference.

Case in point, it's entirely possible for a car that reads 150whp on a dynojet to beat a car that made 180whp on a dyno dynamics....different dyno...different numbers. The dyno is a tool to ensure your car's tune is safe and hopefully strong .... not a measure of absolute speed.

There's no mention of how large or small the injectors are. What fuel pressure? Honda motors in general are exceptionally sensitive to heat, so all those who are using open cone filters that are still exposed to the heat - you're losing anywhere from 5-10whp depending on dyno and other factors such as elevation/humidity/pressure.

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Yes that's all duct tape...and yes, somewhere in there is an intake enclosed with cardboard. Exceptionally hideous, but also very effective in 30-35C weather last year racing near Los Angeles in July.

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Reverse cone feed. Too bad the rules didn't allow complete enclosure for a ram-air effect. The bottom was left exposed to comply with the rules.

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Squint to see the pretty numbers made out of a highly developed but also highly stock internal 16A. Stock compression with OS pistons, EK9 cams, camgears, I/H/E, Hondata S300, STOCK head per the rules. End of the day, we walked away with 205hp at the hubs. That would have been 175-180whp dynojet.

I'm not trying to be boastful - the point I'm trying to make is that you guys should just try and work with what you have right now and find a good competent tuner and spend your money wisely to refine what's already been given to you. More often than not, we have "horror" stories about those who have spent 4-5k on PARTS and end up with a measly 10whp over stock. Don't let that be you!
 
Thanks for ur info and opinions Racing Angel...

For my setup, i'm using 240cc injector,walbro fuel pump & fuel regulator..My tuner said for the AFR no problem and checked it by using wideband tuning (on the road tuning) before go to dyno test...I want share something with u,for the vtec engine how do u setup for injector n fuel pressure?
1.base on injector cycle.
2.displacement of engine.

I'm agree with ur statement,the important things is good tuner can make car more faster...I want to share about the B16a setup with piston EK9,ITR 96 camshaft,adjustable campulley,Mugen 4-1,VAFC+rechipped ECU,Type-r intake manifold,70mm Tb and Fd 4.785...The car has been go for dyno dynamic & get 169whp@9200 rpm, torque 110lb/ft(true B16a)..somebody not believe this number...Actually,its base on engine builder and good tuner to setup the car...rite?

Anybody want to share their setup on this thread?I'm appreciate it...
 
The basis to decide what injector to run on a car depends on both the displacement and injector cycle. But there's another variable now - it is also the type of fuel. Many think only in terms of gasoline/petrol but in the USA and likely other parts of the world, racers are starting to use E85. Anyway....that's another issue.

Some tuners like to use a smaller injector and higher base fuel pressure to get a better atomizing effect and it's effective to a degree normally at the cost of idling quality if you do not have the means to adjust the injector multiplier. Still, a large high quality injector can maintain a good idle with lower fuel pressure. This ultimately depends on what your tuner likes and what kind of parts are used at the end of the day.

Using a large cam like JUN3 will be able to give you more power up top and if properly tuned, you won't see any losses down low either. If you have the means to try it, you should have pretty good results.
 
Hi mattop..
i'm not blame ur statement about b16a set up.
but only curious the engine set up.
with itr cam either ctr cannot pass 9k rpm the power must drop.
with stage 3 cam like jun 3 yes.
imo
 
This is a very good read.

RagingAngel--Thank you for your information.

I too have a goal of 190-200whp [b18c-r] but I am not going with a ton of add ons/bolt ons. Trying to get there with as little as I can. I am leaning on the tuning of the ecu [hondata s300] to do the bulk of the work to get me there.
CAI via comptech ice box, so thats protected from heat. Going with 255lph fuel pump with stock injectors [considering RC upgrade]. Fuel pressure regulator for adjust-ability for the tuner. Everything is stock internals and I feel that there is much room for improvement to get to my goal of 190-200whp.

Anywho, I just wanted to throw my hat into this thread as I should be getting done with my goal within the next 30days. Im only at 166whp 122wt on a dynojet. I was having issues with a few parts on the car, speed sensor and fuel pump, lame gsr header when I achieved the 166whp 122wt. Hope my goal of 190-200whp is not a pipe dream. [going with jdm itr header with test pipe and 2.25" exhaust]
 
from my opinion this setup will achieved ur target on 200 whp.But by not only using the rechip ecu n neo, but use standalone ecu. Also check on ur ignition and find a good tuner to set the AFR also the ignition.But i really confuse on Jun type 3 cam....why not using the crower stage 3 cam....anyone can share about crower cam..the difference and feels on the cam itself??Does anyone has load this cam in your engine....


Hi,my engine is JDM B18c type-r 96...now im looking get 200 whp on dynamic dynometer. So, im planned buy a high cam+valve spring and my planned is JUN 3..my car setup is 1/4 mile drag...I've do the compression test on my engine, the data as per below :
piston 1 : 10.5 bar.
piston 2 : 10.5 bar.
piston 3 : 10.5 bar.
piston 4 : 10.5 bar.

I also already using PCT piston on this engines and done PnP head.AFC neo for fine tune the AFR.

Is the compression is enough for this cam (JUN3)?
Fyi,my compression ratio is 12.2:1, and my country fuel is RON 95,97 and 98.

Anybody have experience the JUN 3...I hope u can share about this...[/QUOTE]
 
thats correct Raging Angel...I'm planned to tune on dyno & also set the camshaft. The purposes is to get the maximum power and good curve for engine powerband can get with proper tune....
If u have been try the Jun 3 or Crower 3 for ur project car?
What the maximum power u got after completely tune ur engine?
 
tama666 said:
This is a very good read.

RagingAngel--Thank you for your information.

[going with jdm itr header with test pipe and 2.25" exhaust]
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You're welcome.

However, I stand by what I state in that the JDM 4-1 while being a very good performing header for the price - it's going to make it that much tougher for you to break 200whp. It is NOT impossible, it's just you're going to have to work a little harder than if you were to say go with a Vibrant Jspec 4-2-1. It's a lighter header that outperforms the JDM 4-1 without completely breaking the bank like a Toda would or real SMSP/SSR/Hytech etc. On a budget, I'd consider the RMF copy at the expense of a little ground clearance. It is what we used on our H2 16A shown above.

mattop_speed said:
thats correct Raging Angel...I'm planned to tune on dyno & also set the camshaft. The purposes is to get the maximum power and good curve for engine powerband can get with proper tune....
If u have been try the Jun 3 or Crower 3 for ur project car?
What the maximum power u got after completely tune ur engine?
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I have no personal experience with either cam, but a close friend of mine used the JUN3 on his built B20. Unfortunately, he did NOT have a properly ported head nor a header to support the build (13:1 CR). He did however, manage nearly 160trq but at only 215whp. Had he ported the head and got an SMSP/Hytech (this was back in 2002) he SHOULD have made at least 230-240 range.

Instead he was stuck using a DC header albeit JDM collector size.... :angry:
 
that's right Raging Angel...I'm also with same opinions with u..must PnP the head to get the maximum output n more air flow need after sticky the high cam....But one more thing that confusing me, the high displacement but low compression,how do u think about that?example is B16B piston 85mm..
 
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