spoon 2layer headgasket in stock b16b?


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was considering putting a spoon 2 layer h/g into my b16b while the head is off getting ported and polished.. is it a worth while mod with standard ek9 cams and would it be safe to run on a standard basemap off the pct ecu??
 
Similar question asked on another active thread atm.
Answer was as I thought(but wasn't confident enough to actually write it)

Basically honda oem gasket is the daddy gasket.
Such a small bump in compression is pretty much useless anyway and for the extra costs and possibility of failure it's not really worth it.
It will run completely fine on stock map, you've not changed anything significant enough tbh.
 
I have used a spoon head gasket and can confirm it ran sweet, could notice the difference between the O.E.M gasket. but I wouldnt change it for the sake of it only change it if you have to remove the head for other reasons. Its a good mod IMO
 
Your not noticing a difference in the headgasket, must be a placebo effect.
If it was to actually increase performance you defo wouldnt feel it.

Think, if it gains a noticble hp increase why isn't everyone doing it?
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engine pulled a lot harder.. I don't know how much it raises the compression but definitely could feel it on the road... I was running oem ecu and engine internals with breather mods
 
Interesting...
Why did you change the gasket? Anything wrong with the old one?
 
No, I wanted my valve stem seals and valve guides done. engine was smoky, the garage told me the head had to be removed so I replaced the head gasket with a spoon 2ply. turned out to be a good choice
 
I'm still skeptical.
 
Well it would make sense that it the engine would gain power from it.. the gasket is thinner so compression figure will go up.. having good breather mods will only help it further.. I didn't expect to feel a difference on the road but the engine pulled harder and felt a lot more free revving. I can only put it down to a healthy engine, good mods and the extra compression from the gasket.
 
What's the difference in thickness between them?
 
imo the thickness would warrant higher compression but not enough to cause problems or the need to run higher lift cams. I ran this gasket on my b18c EK9 also... with a AEM V2, Mugen manifold, skunk2 megapower and made 215hp at the fly and 190hp at the wheels.. I will check these figures later but im sure its correct.
 
JDM_DAVE said:
No, I wanted my valve stem seals and valve guides done. engine was smoky, the garage told me the head had to be removed so I replaced the head gasket with a spoon 2ply. turned out to be a good choice
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How do you know it is not just the effect of a new/ rebuilt head? A crap flowing head will have far bigger effect on how the engine performs than than the slightly thicker head gasket. You can't really jump to the conclusion that it was the gasket that made it better as you changed other things in the process...
 
only valve stem seals and valve guides... OEM parts.. what else could it be?
 
JDM_DAVE said:
only valve stem seals and valve guides... OEM parts.. what else could it be?
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Where did you buy the seals and guides from ? How is the work everything ok ? No burned oil from the exhaust now ?
 
Ordered parts from honda and the gasket from spoon sports europe.. After the work the car didnt smoke or burn oil. Before the work i was putting in 1LTR of oil a week.
 
JDM_DAVE said:
stock is 0.75 and spoon is 0.45
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So that's about 11-12 thou thinner (I think)
That will give a noticeable rise in compression, but not a huge rise,

The gained compression would make more power but probably not noticeable with out the right supporting mods and a good map.
 
JDM_DAVE said:
Ordered parts from honda and the gasket from spoon sports europe.. After the work the car didnt smoke or burn oil. Before the work i was putting in 1LTR of oil a week.
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The reason you probably felt such a difference is probably down to no longer burning so much oil
 
Its obviously going To be good that the engine didnt burn any oil after the work but from the day i put the b18c in to the day i took the car for the work, it didnt feel any different. Not even when it started burning oil which was for 3-4months before the work. The b18 was healthy when i bought it good readings from the compression test and it didnt tap on idol.. Very smooth. After the work the engine felt totally different, pulled alot harder and just wanted to rev. I think the refresh helped but i think the extra grunt came more from the compression than anything eles IMO
 
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