ecu performance and problems


lumek4

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ok there is alot of talk about ecu's on here but what one is the best. and what sort of problems have you had with them. you hear of people saying the phearable is very good then other people sayin they get problems with idol and things like that. so it would be good to find out what ecu's that people run. also how they feel about it what sort of performance gains they made also bad points if there is power dips. what mods suit that ecu ie the spoon suits a spoon 4-2-1 and spoon panel filter and so on

cheers guys
 
ive heard bad things about Spoon ECU's recently. Namely a bloke quite local to me with a b18C EK9 blew his engine to bits (bents valves, spun bearing etc) 3 weeks after fitting Spoons ECU for the B18, will try and get more info at the weekend:(
 
oh, and i know he ran the b18C for two years prior on std ECU with no problem:(:shocked:
 
im a post whore atm LOL

just thinking,......Jugbugz has a spoon ECU with no problems ...i think?, but it does lower the Vtec point a tad too much so iirc he is using a vtec controller as well to bring it back up to a sensible RPM...im sure he will add his piece.:nice:
 
I have a Mugen ecu on a b18c & i think its great.Definately good power gains from this ecu.It does lower the vtec point to 5000 but it pulls like a train from about 5500rpm so its ok.I would recommend it to anyone.:nice:
 
i have answered this question many times, and here we go again:

the best ecu is the one your tuner can tune.

i have aem ems, its what my tuner prefers so thats the best for me, for others it may be hondata or motec or power FC, or Fcon, etc...
 
im doing power FC, good friend of mine has just had one fitted to his DC2 and mapped by a local tuner with unbelievable results, i went in it standard and on saturday with the power FC and skunk cams, skunk TB etc and WOW, i will find out how much power he made:nice:
 
i have answered this question many times, and here we go again:

the best ecu is the one your tuner can tune.

i have aem ems, its what my tuner prefers so thats the best for me, for others it may be hondata or motec or power FC, or Fcon, etc...

:nice:

Nothing beats a fine-tuned engine.
engine management is a very worth-while investment:) :nice:
 
i have answered this question many times, and here we go again:

the best ecu is the one your tuner can tune.

i have aem ems, its what my tuner prefers so thats the best for me, for others it may be hondata or motec or power FC, or Fcon, etc...

sorry blinx lol. ye i know you will never beat a fine tune ecu such as hondata ems ect. but i mean ecu's such as the spoon,mugen and phearble cos where i live in scotland there aint that much tuners unless you have a scooby or a evo and i dont trust them so it means then going 1000 miles all round trip just for a re-map so it dont really suit me that much. thats why i want to know all the pros and cons of plug in ecu's

i will be running
b16a2
DC sports header 4-2-1
de-cat 2.5
fujitsubo cat back 2.5
induction kit with good cold air feed
CTR cams
CTR v/springs
CTR retainers

is there a ecu that will suit as think my next mods will mostly be gearbox maybe a TB and inlet manifold
 
pro= its easy and cheap
con= you dont know if the mixtures correct so there is a great possibility of washing out the bores OR over-expand the pistons! either way at the extremes youll score the sleeves, lose compression and basically line yourself up with the need for a rebuild. Ask any established and experienced tuner about changing internals or making drastic induction/exhaust changes and theyll tell you you need tuning of some form. Be-it a fuel pressure regulator and wideband to get you buy, or the smart choice... a wideband and fuel-management. Its your call.
 
pro= its easy and cheap
con= you dont know if the mixtures correct so there is a great possibility of washing out the bores OR over-expand the pistons! either way at the extremes youll score the sleeves, lose compression and basically line yourself up with the need for a rebuild. Ask any established and experienced tuner about changing internals or making drastic induction/exhaust changes and theyll tell you you need tuning of some form. Be-it a fuel pressure regulator and wideband to get you buy, or the smart choice... a wideband and fuel-management. Its your call.

well thats not to good. i thought the likes of spoon and that would have been better than that but i suposs there is only so far an ecu can adjust its self to your mods. looks like there is only one real way around it is converting to obd1 and getting something like hondata.
 

i know a boy that is selling a p28 ecu that has hondata s200. would this be worth buying then just get someone to remap it to my car or am i better starting from scratch and get it all from my tuner and let him map it from new so there is no other data on it
 
I have a smooth power delivery all the way to the top with a Spoon ECU, having the air/fuel ratio tested soon. I have not noticed any power dips at all.
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With my experience, there was a pause in power between 5-6k rpm.
Howver, with regards to the torquw and pick up, i found it noticable better than the stock ecu. i wuld say its good for the track having the extra rpms at top.
 
Ok, heaps of opinions here so I'll just add some bits n pieces.

First off, Every engine is different, and bolting a generically tuned ECU like SPOON, MUGEN etc will only reach about 50% gains compared to a Custom tunable ECU. This has been proven countless times locally here and over east. You will encounter problems like running too rich or lean, and timings are never accurate simply because all engines are different which is more of a factor than different mods suggest.

If you don't have a nice honda tuner in your country and skeptical, then you should just buy a bolt on generic ECU, but you'll be very limited and can only do very basic mods... If you have a tuner around, 100% go with a custom ECU and start making power.

I agree with many of the users here regarding power dips with a lowered vtec point on generic ECUs... I've just recently installed a buddyclub V-CON to lift back the VTEC point to 6000rpm on my Js racing ECU. Now the power delivery is beautifully traditional with that sudden kick that all type Rs give you on your 1st time experience, EXCEPT now I have 9100rpm redline from my J's ECU, so my power band is longer and now without DIPS, also that terrible retarded vtec barp sound that you get under 6000rpms is gone.... Now its vroooooooooooooooom...BARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHH! nice and original!

I really didn't like the power dip especially now after experiencing the V-CON mod, I'll never lower the vtec point again unless it'll make power. Buddy club V-CON only cost me $40USD delivered from EBAY. Theres only 1 seller in the US that sells this on ebay. This is the best mod I've done to my generic ECU, I reccomend it to everyone.

Ive searched up the net in regards to this V-CON and heard heaps of bad sh1t about it. I've heard stuff like stuffed up vtec crossover, redline reduced to 5000rpm and other bad sh1t. This is probally because they've installed it wrongly which can happen or they all lower their vtec down to like 1000rpm which would cause serious damages.

But after installing the unit, which was pretty easy, it worked for me 1st time off. I set it at 6000rpm, and thats it. No probs, no faults.

The unit simply taps into your vtec line on your ecu harness and re-adjusts the vtec point coming from your ecu and sends it to your vtec solenoid. Highly reccomended if you have power dips with generic ecus.

Also, someone mentioned they had a MUGEN ecu and had noticable dips from 5000rpm till 5500rpm. I believe this all depends on the timings programmed on the ECU. For example, My J's Racing ECU made me gain a massive 5-10whp and torque to match between 3000rpm-5500rpm with my mods. ECU Timings contributed to this more than my intake and exhuast etc etc.

Overall, you can see how results all vary quite a bit. Thats why YOU SHOULD GET A CUSTOM TUNED ECU. I've also posted some stuff before in regards to DC5R tuning. They compared a custom tuned Hondata K-pro to a generic MUGEN ecu for DC5. And the Custom tuned HONDATA K-pro made up to 8whp more everywhere. AGAIN, simply because ALL ENGINES ARE DIFFERENT.

Winston: its really amazing to see the SPOON ecu work so well with yours, maybe you should try a different dyno to see any difference because I've experienced different power lines on different dynos. Try one that measures WHP, otherwise mate, your very lucky! :nice:
 
Jugbugz, the car is going on a different dyno in about 3 weeks and at the same time I will test the air/fuel ratio. Will keep you posted, but if it comes with a similar result i guess I´m lucky :)
I was going to get a Hondata s300 but if the results are the same and the air/fuel ratio is good then I will keep the ECU.
 
, also that terrible retarded vtec barp sound that you get under 6000rpms is gone.... Now its vroooooooooooooooom...BARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHH! nice and original!

:nice::clap::D:D I think ive just wet myself with laughter:bow:
 
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