Apexi Power FC, S-AFC, E-Manage or nothing?


ManosEK9

ManosEK9

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Hi guys, I'm planning to replace my S-AFC currently running on my EK9. I believe that the car deserves something better that this thing which regulates limited resources like fuel and air. Actually it allows more fuel and air to run through the engine but in an unsynchronized and disordered way. :angry: For example, the stock EK9 ECU(just like in every car) regulates the fuel and air as well as all the other parameters of the engine, differently in the rpm range for smooth operation. Howerer, S-AFC just throws fuel and air and it doesn't know where to give more and where to give less. As a result, you might feel your engine struggling to stay alive and not to stall when you are in traffic with your engine operating around 1000 rpm. That sucks, believe me:angry2: In high rpm, there is no problem but sometimes you feel your engine caughing like sick. So, definitely i'm gonna do something about it. Also have problems with police here, since one i was caught when they opened the drawer. I'm thinking to replace it with a Power FC, and put a chip in it and hide it deep into the heart of the car. :nerv:
Guaranteed improvement!!:nice: There is a Japanese person here sent by Jun every year I think, for this mods(ECUs, cams, pistons etc). I heart that he transforms the car into a beast. I also heart about E-Manage which is something better that S-AFC(controls more parameters and with more accuracy:)) but of lower quality than Power FC which is a complete aftermarket ECU perfectly pre-programmed for EKs, which can be chipped by the way. I have enough bolt-ons and head work done on my B16B as well. Any personal experiences and suggestions are welcome:thanks:
 
I really think that your ecu is the problem why you dont feel that your car is running very very fast.

I would recommend to you, the apexi power fc, if you tune it well, you can get some nice numbers, a lot of guys here run apexi power fc + commander, and they recommend it.

If you dont have the money you have other options, for example in my case, i didn't havet he money to buy and apexi power fc + commander, for my car it was almost 1300 $ in ebay since my car is a 1999 civic type r.

You have a 1997 ek9 right? if you car is 98 july + you will need and ob2b to obd2a harness for the apexi power fc to work. Since the apexi power fc is obd2a.

Right now i'm running a phearable.net ecu, its a pr3 chipped ecu, with a conversion harness, i paid for it 300 $ shipped. I have the ability that i can exchange chips, with this ecu, for example if i buy a b20 motor i can call the guy and he can send me a chip with a different basemap for my new setup.

With this ecu, i was able to shave off half a second in the 1/8 mile time, just over the stock ecu, i have no internals mods, i just have a comptech race exaust, thats it. Imagine you with all the head work you got, you will feel a night to day difference!

In conclusion, if you have the moey buy a apexi power fc + commander, if you're poor like me (lol) buy a chipped pr3 ecu.

:)
 
rvm said:
I really think that your ecu is the problem why you dont feel that your car is running very very fast.

I would recommend to you, the apexi power fc, if you tune it well, you can get some nice numbers, a lot of guys here run apexi power fc + commander, and they recommend it.

If you dont have the money you have other options, for example in my case, i didn't havet he money to buy and apexi power fc + commander, for my car it was almost 1300 $ in ebay since my car is a 1999 civic type r.

You have a 1997 ek9 right? if you car is 98 july + you will need and ob2b to obd2a harness for the apexi power fc to work. Since the apexi power fc is obd2a.

Right now i'm running a phearable.net ecu, its a pr3 chipped ecu, with a conversion harness, i paid for it 300 $ shipped. I have the ability that i can exchange chips, with this ecu, for example if i buy a b20 motor i can call the guy and he can send me a chip with a different basemap for my new setup.

With this ecu, i was able to shave off half a second in the 1/8 mile time, just over the stock ecu, i have no internals mods, i just have a comptech race exaust, thats it. Imagine you with all the head work you got, you will feel a night to day difference!

In conclusion, if you have the moey buy a apexi power fc + commander, if you're poor like me (lol) buy a chipped pr3 ecu.

:)
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Yes, my Ek9 will close 10 years of age this August and I'm planning to give to it a nice present:D. So, you say that Apexi Power FC is the best aftermarket ECU for EKs, right? So, by replacing the S-AFC with this, all the mods i made will give something more and the overall performace will be improved, as well as the problems that the S-AFC causes I mentioned before will disappear(hopefully). Imagine stroking it as well. Oh my God, then it would be a BEAST. :shocked:. Actually it won't be strange to hear someone saying that he has beat a DC5 from this site:) after all these mods. So, what do you think, can an N/A EK9 beat a DC5? Quite difficult but not a far away dream
 
if you have the money, AEM EMS is the best option imo, i have it, i love it!! just keep in mind your engine management is only as good as your tuner, if you dont have someone to tune your power fc/aem/hks whatever then its worthless, this is why i bought aem ems, it has huge support in my area and our tuner at my shop can tune it really well. as far as the s-afc being garbage i agree, i have said that many times in the past and explained in great detail why it is obsolete.

as far as greddy emanage that also is garbage UNLESS your referring to emanage ultimate, the ultimate is excellent for vehicles with no other tunning options, its not as good as power FC but it is still an excellent choice for the price (i believe its 3-500 cheaper than power FC).

here is what i recomend in order from best first (youll notice price follows)

AEM EMS/HKS f-con V pro
apexi power FC
greddy emanage ultimate
crome or uberdata chipped ecu/hondata
regular emanage
apexi afc/s-afc/v-afc
any brand v-tec controller

this list only applies if you have a capable tuner in your area for said hardware. also keep in mind im turbo chargine my car hence aem ems was the best option for me, for mild all motor set ups chipped ecu to power FC is fine as long as you have a tuner.
 
I've used the Power FC on a turbocharged EM1 as well, and I still highly recommend it. Just make sure the tuner has the software to tune.
 
theshodan said:
I've used the Power FC on a turbocharged EM1 as well, and I still highly recommend it. Just make sure the tuner has the software to tune.
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hey its "theshodan", welcome to ek9.org sir :nice:
 
As blinx has stated, whatever engine management system you use is only as good as your tuner. Get whatever your tuner is most familiar with and has the options you will need. And dont forget about chrome and hondata.
 
Dino-Spumoni said:
As blinx has stated, whatever engine management system you use is only as good as your tuner. Get whatever your tuner is most familiar with and has the options you will need. And dont forget about chrome and hondata.
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you mean crome :)
 
get an AEM ems if you have the money or powerFC from a good local tuner,when you have problem with the ecu program will the japanese guy come only for you ? also those guys charge huge amounts.
 
aem ems is a lot more powerful and has a lot more features than powerFC. for example ems has internal datalogging and launch control, powerFC does not :(
 
blinx9900 said:
aem ems is a lot more powerful and has a lot more features than powerFC. for example ems has internal datalogging and launch control, powerFC does not :(
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Yes but a complete Engine Management System like aem ems is more that 3*the price of Power FC right? :angry2:
 
ManosEK9 said:
Yes but a complete Engine Management System like aem ems is more that 3*the price of Power FC right? :angry2:
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about $2,000 with built in uego controller. power FC ends up being expensive aswell once you add all the stuff to make it equal to aem ems like the gizmo launch control etc...
 
blinx9900 said:
about $2,000 with built in uego controller. power FC ends up being expensive aswell once you add all the stuff to make it equal to aem ems like the gizmo launch control etc...
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I was expecting to hear something like.... $3000 or more to be honest for the EMS. So is about twice the price of Power FC right? :nerv:
 
ManosEK9 said:
I was expecting to hear something like.... $3000 or more to be honest for the EMS. So is about twice the price of Power FC right? :nerv:
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yeah, i can get them for as low as $1590 though, and thats with the built in uego. if you dont want the uego i can get them for $1300!! so its basically the same price as powerFC. :nice:
 
blinx9900 said:
yeah, i can get them for as low as $1590 though, and thats with the built in uego. if you dont want the uego i can get them for $1300!! so its basically the same price as powerFC. :nice:
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What AEM stands for?
 
if you want aem products contact www.xmotorsport.net he is a dealer here in Cyprus,also the guy who own the shop is aem ecu tuner ,powerfc as well.
And he is very good in his job.
 
Power FC + Commander here are only 400 quid lol for b16b engine.. that aint bad for me in UK tbh.. 400 quid..
 
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